Weight Lifting Is A Waste Of Time | The Tyler Wagner Show - Dr. John Jaquish

In this episode, Dr. John Jaquish discusses his research, innovation, and the science behind his best-selling book, Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time: So Is Cardio, and There’s a Better Way to Have the Body You Want.

Tyler Wagner: All right, everyone, welcome back to another episode. Today, we have Dr. John Jaquish. Welcome to the show, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: Tyler, thanks for having me. This is fun. It’s an honor.

Tyler Wagner: Of course. Grateful to have you here. If you can, just kick us off, tell us a little bit more about you and what you do.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, about 13 years ago, I developed a medical device that reverses osteoporosis. It works better than any drug that’s ever been to trial. And I had a lot of interesting experiences and adventures and launched a medical device that had never been seen before. It wasn’t even like anything that was in existence. You’re the first one to market with something nobody’s ever seen before. And you get a lot of arrows in your back. A lot of critics. And a lot of critics don’t know what they’re talking about.

Dr. John Jaquish: But fortunately, in medicine, when you can show the evidence when you can show a clinical trial or evidence, even a large enough amount of anecdotal evidence, becomes compelling. You have thousands of people using it, and I did. And so, I ended up publishing a book called Osteogenic Loading, self-published that. And then I went and patented the device and launched it. And now, that medical device is found at OsteoStrong locations. So that’s a franchise clinic that you can find these devices at.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now, what was interesting was the clinical trials for the first device, which brought me to my second invention, which was called X3 And so, I realized, because people were dealing with such high forces in the positions they would naturally absorb high-impact force. So like when you trip and fall and protect yourself, those type of positions. So I looked at those positions and determined that those positions versus some of the weaker positions that we have to go through in a given weightlifting movement, there’s a seven-fold difference in people’s output capacity.

Dr. John Jaquish: Meaning, you’re actually seven times stronger than you think you are. You just choose a lower weight because you can deal with it. You can pick it up. You can deal with it in its more awkward position, where the joints are compromised and you’re not getting the muscle in its shortest position, where it’s most powerful.

Dr. John Jaquish: So I knew I had the information right in front of me in this clinical trial, that weight lifting is a lousy stimulus for triggering muscular growth. And I thought, “Wow, it’s really kind of a waste of time, this weight lifting thing because it’s just such a poor stimulus for muscle growth.” So I called my book Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time: So Is Cardio, and There’s a Better Way to Have the Body You Want. And then, of course, I launched the product. The book goes over sort of the rationales of why I did what I did, and what I learned from that process. And also, every single statement I make is backed up by clinical research that was not done by me.

Dr. John Jaquish: So this is the knowledge that was out there, and once you piece it all together, the complete understanding of my approach to variable resistance, then the answers are obvious. And you know that because you read the book. Most people who just judge a book by its cover, which is most people, by the way, they think they know what the book is about, and they have no idea. So they’ll comment like I’m advocating for cardio or advocating for high-intensity intervals or whatever. And they don’t know what… And basically, most of my critics are people who didn’t read the book at all. They might’ve bought it. They didn’t even open it up.

Tyler Wagner: And if it’s the cardio critics, they didn’t even read the subtitle because isn’t the subtitle, “And cardio is too,” or something like that?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yep.

Tyler Wagner: So they didn’t even read it, that’s why.

Dr. John Jaquish: Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time and So Is Cardio, There’s a Better Way to Have the Body You Want.

Tyler Wagner: Exactly, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, man, it’s astounding how many people will judge a book by its cover. They will just read the cover, not even the whole thing, just the big words.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah. Now, I will tell you though, from a marketing perspective, and I don’t know if you did it purposely or not, I think the title kind of causes controversy, which I think is a good thing. You have currently, while we’re doing this interview, 2,500, 2600 reviews and you’re still four point something star, but anybody who’s given you a low star probably has not-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. You read them, and it is just like, “This book is a commercial for his products.” And we talked earlier, there’s no money in books anymore.

Tyler Wagner: 100%. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Nobody writes a book to make money.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So if you’ve got a bother to write a book, it’s probably going to have some business model behind it. I think in a 260-page book, 30 pages discuss my second invention, the X3. And there are probably two pages that discuss my first invention. And then the rest of it is just summaries of scientific knowledge that will benefit everyone with the training, with the nutrition, with everything. So, people who complain about that, it was hardly the push of the book, but there’s a lot of knowledge in there that people don’t have.

Dr. John Jaquish: And it’s lived in research. A lot of it’s lived in research for 40 years, but because people cannot even read the research, especially in the fitness industry. Physicians may understand and sports scientists. Like I was saying, you go to a sports science conference, you go to the annual congress of the American College of Sports Medicine, and you say, “Cardio is a terrible way to lose weight,” and every scientist there will be like, “Yeah, you’re right, terrible. It’s the worst.” The worst thing you can do is do daily cardio. But in the fitness industry, even though there are 40 years of research on this subject, they’ll say cardio is for weight loss and strength is for muscle.

Tyler Wagner: So would you say on the cardio, because as a cardio person and we were talking about this a little bit before too, so say you did an hour jog or you did 30 minutes where it was like one minute sprint, four minutes slow walk? So you’re getting six minutes in total of the actual sprint in there. The second option would be better?

Dr. John Jaquish: Absolutely. Yeah, interval training, very different on the bloodstream, your total different hormonal profile. Your blood will look 180 degrees opposite if you do interval training versus sustained elevated heart rate.

Tyler Wagner: It’s so wild. Yeah and I remember from reading your book too, is that because… It was two things, it boosts testosterone and human growth hormone by doing the interval or… And you say, the one conclusion you come to in the book over and over again is you can’t get there without heavy. And you keep coming back to that.

Dr. John Jaquish: There is no getting around heavy.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah, no getting around it. And what’s so wild is I remember too, and I don’t know who I heard all this from, but there used to be this comparison of, if you want to get ripped, you do high reps, low weight. But if you want bigger muscles, you do high… So it’s so crazy. And your book too, it has, I can’t remember exactly how many, but probably, and throughout your whole book, there’s like 250 to 350 citations of research backing up-

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. And so, I summarize the research. And I say, here’s a study, and it’s funny, there’s not a single one of my critics that has found a problem with how I summarize any of those studies. No one. People are complaining all the time, but it’s like complaining about what, they couldn’t say.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah. And I think even, I could be wrong on this, but in the book too, you even say, “Look…” Because of the way you built your brand, the X3 bar, it’s stronger than other ones. But there are other bars out there or whatever, elasticity bands. So if they already have them, they could try to do the X3 protocol with it. But it wouldn’t give you the right amount of strength.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you’d be dealing with the weight that’s so light that it’s not going to trigger any growth.

Tyler Wagner: Okay. Got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: And also, bands by themselves… Sometimes, we get emails, well, every day we get emails. People are like, “I just want those high-density bands because they provide 600 pounds of force.” The biggest one is a 600-pound band. And I’m like, “If you throw that around your back and try and do a pushup with it, you’ll break both wrists.” They’re unusable by themselves, without catastrophic injury. So you need the bar and you need to play… There’s a reason I launched the whole system. If it was just a matter of heavy bands, I mean, hey, I’d much rather be in that business because that business is cheap.

Tyler Wagner: For sure. Got it. And then, on your website too, you have a full protocol that goes along with it. So what I wanted to ask you too actually, is about your Fortagen. Because I don’t know the science behind this. So you say your protein Fortagen, the body takes in 80% of it, whereas other proteins only get like maybe 10% or something. So how does that work? It’s like specific and then-

Dr. John Jaquish: No, you get 100% of Fortagen.

Tyler Wagner: Oh, okay, 100%.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. But whey protein, not any form of whey, even whey isolate, you’re only getting 18% of it to be digestible by the body, because it’s the wrong amino acids ratios.

Tyler Wagner: That’s so crazy. That’s what’s everywhere.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, steak is only 38%.

Tyler Wagner: Yep, I remember that now in the book.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, Fortagen was a huge benefit.

Tyler Wagner: Okay. And that’s your current diet to this day, like the carnivores diet, right? Is that what you’re saying?

Dr. John Jaquish: I get the majority of my nutrition from Fortagen. So I only take one supplement, that’s it. And I take a lot of it. I take four doses a day on training days.

Tyler Wagner: Okay. Is that because of how much you’re… Well, it’s not even how long, because it’s 10 minutes. That’s what’s so funny about this whole thing.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s your workout. I work out one hour a week. I work out six days a week, 10 minutes of workout.

Tyler Wagner: It’s amazing. So it’s the Fortagen four scoops. And then what, like a steak or something like that every day or sometimes not even-

Dr. John Jaquish: You broke up a little bit. Say it again.

Tyler Wagner: You do Fortagen four scoops a day and then a steak as well?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, and just the steak at the end of the day. I consume all my nutrition in a four-hour eating window. And then I’m dry fasted for 20 hours. So no food, no water for 20 hours every day.

Tyler Wagner: Why the dry fast? Is it much better than having water in there?

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah. Because of your caloric absence. I mean, yes, there’s a caloric deficit, but absence is really where… Your body kind of has two modes. It’s the fasted mode and the fed mode. And basically, you’re only metabolizing your body fat when you run out of the food you consumed. I mean, that seems obvious. So there are people out there that are like, “Well, fasting doesn’t work.” And it’s just like, any fat loss is because of a fasted state. If you’re in a caloric deficit, you just go into a fasted state earlier.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s funny because there are so many people that are in denial about the fasting research and it’s overwhelming, it’s better. And it’s not like calorie restriction doesn’t work. You can do both at the same time. So I’ll eat like one pound of steak or maybe even like a pound a half maybe, I got to be motivated to do that. But when I eat that I’m still at a caloric deficit because I’ve burned over 3000 calories a day. I’m 240 pounds, six feet tall. So that’s a massive deficit and I continue to get stronger and build muscle doing this, which seems to defy the laws of physics. But it doesn’t defy the laws of a hormonal system, because I’m training so heavy, I have more testosterone receptor site activity.

Dr. John Jaquish: People who lift weights think they train heavily. No, you don’t train heavy with the weights, not compared to what you can do with variable resistance. So when I’m using the X3 I do a chest press. At the top of the chest press, I’m holding 550 pounds and I’ll get to that 20 or 25 repetitions. So again, the benefit of going to fatigue with 550 pounds, 20 times. And that’s just like, “Wait, that’s unheard of.” But it’s only at that weight, in that position of almost full extension. You never go to full extension.

Dr. John Jaquish: So basically, we’re using a greater amount of force because the force is matched to your capacity in your position. I know it sounds complicated, but when you use it, it’s like the easiest thing in the world. There are four movements per workout. So that’s why it’s over in 10 minutes, you only have to do four things.

Dr. John Jaquish: And then, each muscle is devastated, but there’s no soreness because of the variable resistance because we’re offloading where joints get damaged. You receive no muscle damage, no joint damage. And the damage is inversely related to growth. So you hear people all the time who talk about muscle growth. I mean, mostly, it’s sort of the Dunning-Kruger principle, where the dumbest people have the strongest opinions. I don’t know if you’re familiar with that one.

Tyler Wagner: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, the dumbest people in society have the greatest belief that they are the most competent.

Tyler Wagner: Oh, wow. That would make a lot-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, explains a lot of political conversation.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah, that’s exactly where my mind went to.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, right. I mean, like you hear somebody who’s just so passionate about an issue and they’re like 100% and you’re just sitting there going, “You don’t understand. You don’t even have like a sixth grader’s understanding of economics.”

Tyler Wagner: It’s fascinating.

Dr. John Jaquish: I read something this morning that came out of the mouth of the White House press secretary. She has the economic understanding of like a three-year-old. I can quote what she said because I remember it. She said, “It’s disgusting and absurd that companies would raise the prices to consumers as a response to an increase in taxes.” So are all these companies supposed to go out of business, just because that’s the righteous thing to do? This woman has no idea how anything works. This is an adult child.

Tyler Wagner: I agree.

Dr. John Jaquish: So anyway, back to Dunning-Kruger. Do you know what I mean when I say that? That’s kind of the push, where I am with Dunning-Kruger. I think it’s his best study. Anybody who hasn’t read that study, even if you don’t like reading studies, this one is hilarious, because it explains. It explains that the smartest people in society undervalue their competence. So the smartest people believe they were like 90% to 95% competent in complex tasks and puzzle solving, because the more you know, the more you know you don’t know.

Tyler Wagner: 100%.

Dr. John Jaquish: But stupid people don’t know what they don’t know. And therefore, it is non-existent. So what they don’t know doesn’t exist. Therefore, they think they know everything. And this is the majority of commenters on the internet. These are people who love commenting on social media, especially fitness, nutrition. It’s just like the blind leading the blind. They have no idea what they’re talking about.

Tyler Wagner: This explains a lot. I will tell you. And I’m always happy-

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, this explains why from a political perspective… I’m all for freedom of speech, but of course, right now we only have freedom of speech that goes on one side. But in a way, you should only let experts comment on a lot of these subjects. I kind of understand Facebook’s position when they’re trying to limit some comments. And like I said, they only do it on one side, which is unfortunate. But when somebody says something stupid on the other side, that should be deleted too. Because when you’re the White House press secretary, and you don’t understand how the monetary system in any country works, that’s kind of terrifying. This woman gets to talk to the president every day, what’s she saying? Does he believe it? Does he have an equal lack of understanding? I’m afraid the answer is yes, he has no idea.

Tyler Wagner: It’s not even funny either. I laugh out of confusion because sometimes I wonder if I’m like… It gets to a point, I don’t know if it’s like a mental breakdown, but I just am confused as to where are we? What is going on?

Tyler Wagner: Like for me, one of the simplest things is raising the corporate tax rate. I just personally… And look, I’m not an expert in this stuff, but to me just logically, it’s like, look, if you want more business, more employees, more people to come to this country and create opportunity. I don’t think the way of doing that is upping the corporate tax, because then the smart, they just leave and then there’s no job.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I’ll use California as an example.

Tyler Wagner: So it’s like I’m-

Dr. John Jaquish: Hewlett Packard left, Tesla left. There’s another massive company that left California. I just can’t think of the name of it. My point is, I mean, this is like billions and billions of dollars that are never going to come to the state of California. And California still thinks it should raise taxes, even though these companies left because of the taxes.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah, I just don’t know.

Dr. John Jaquish: How long do you need to keep making the same mistake before you learn from it? And I have friends that vote in California. And even though they’re so frustrated, they’re going to just go ahead and vote for the same clowns again, who don’t understand anything. And I mean, maybe it’s just emotional, they just can’t bring themselves to vote for a business man.

Tyler Wagner: So let’s talk about that. Because I think it is emotional because I don’t know if you saw, it was one of Biden’s last speeches. I think it’s the way that they position it and people, again, like you were saying, don’t do the actual research. So what I’ve come to find is there’s a lot of people that can only think on a surface level. They’ll never go down a couple of layers to get to the bottom of it. So Biden, in his speech is like, “We’re sick and tired of these big corporations, like Amazon and stuff, not paying their fair share. So we’re upping the corporate tax.” And it’s like, “Dude, that doesn’t even hurt them. It hurts the middle-class guy who’s doing from like 1 to 10 mil a year or whatever.” That’s who it’s hurting. And that’s your American small business. But people are like, “Yeah.”

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right, but Amazon will just move its corporate operation to Aruba. Its headquarters will be like a broom closet in a lawyer’s office. And then they just get to keep on going and they’ll probably pay even fewer taxes. But yeah, exactly, the guy who’s like the CPA, who’s working day and night to provide for his family, that’s the guy that gets screwed.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah. So this is fascinating. You got to go a couple of layers deeper is what I’ll say. But that study that you spoke about, explains a lot. I’m happy I heard that, it helps me sleep better.

Dr. John Jaquish: And here’s what I tell people, and this is kind of like my message outside of my fitness messaging, do not listen to internet commenters. Just run an experiment for yourself, pick a product, anything, not something you like. Just when you’re scrolling through Facebook, just click on an ad for something that you’re not in the market for, that way your emotions are not tied to reading these answers, reading the comments. And you’ll see people who will snap to judgment and make a comment with absolute certainty and they don’t even know what they’re looking at.

Dr. John Jaquish: At first, I was getting all kinds of crazy trolls and I got shitty reviews on the book and I kind of scratched my head like, “Why would somebody do this? They don’t even know what they’re talking about.” And I realized, “Oh, most of the people who are zealous about posting their sort of analysis and their take on a scientific text, can’t even read it. They’re incapable.”

Dr. John Jaquish: Then, the fitness industry I think is worse than even politics. Because when I look at where most fitness information is, it’s on YouTube. Why? Because a lot of fitness fans are illiterate.

Tyler Wagner: Oh, wow. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean, we still have something like a 15% illiteracy rate in this country. I mean, how that’s possible? I don’t know. But I see a lot of really… Like scuba diving is a rich man’s sport. It’s expensive and you’re not going to get dummies that scuba dive. Otherwise, they’ll be scuba divers. You’ve got to pass a hard test to get your scuba diving license. And otherwise, there’ll be just a couple of tanks sticking out of the water and somebody face down connected to them. You can’t be dumb and scuba dive, but you can be profoundly stupid and be all about fitness. You can go into the gym and you can wear your hat sideways and have your big, fat gut sticking out and tell everybody you know everything and continue to be obese and have baby arms.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, the whole industry is just so mind-blowingly bad at doing anything scientific or right. I mean, I think I’m a huge disruptor. I’m more of a disruptor in fitness than I was in medicine because what I loved about bringing up my medical device is once you show the physicians the evidence, they’re like, “Wow, this is great. This is going to help so many lives. Thank you for coming out with this.” I’m still the chief science officer of OsteoStrong, but I’m kind of not all that hands-on every day. And I don’t need to be, because now the physicians understand it, it kind of feeds itself.

Dr. John Jaquish: Enough physicians are like, “Oh no, I read that in research.” And they tell their peers. And so, some of the doctors, they’re like, “Yeah, I haven’t read any of the documentation, but I know that the endocrinologist down the street refers all her patients, so I’m going to refer you.” So it was great. But the problem with fitness is what I’m presenting is complex enough. I don’t think it’s that complex. I mean, I think if you graduated from the fifth grade, you’ll understand.

Tyler Wagner: If you read the book, it’s not complicated.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you realize it’s not a hard book at all, but it’s also not like a comic book.

Tyler Wagner: No, it’s very much research-based. You-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s a research-based book.

Tyler Wagner: That’s why I enjoyed it, but I could see how some people if they needed more… I don’t know. Although no, you do have… Because I wanted to touch on that, the story of OsteoStrong was because of your mom, right? Your mom was having some… That’s where it was, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. The whole reason I got into physical medicine and rehabilitation is my mother. She was diagnosed with osteoporosis and she has just been a businessman not phosphonate drugs, which have a lot of side effects and she didn’t want to take them. And I read side effects and I’m like, “Yeah, I don’t blame you. I wouldn’t want these side effects either.” And so I said, “Let me look into this.” And as I looked into it, I was like, “I have an idea. I want to emulate high impact,” because we know high impact forces have the strongest influence on bone.

Dr. John Jaquish: Some could argue that high-impact forces are the only thing that influences bone because there’s plenty of research studies that show physical activity, the kind of physical activity that a 60-year-old woman would engage in will not affect bone density at all, because the minimum dose-response for the bone to change in your hip joint, and that’s the most important joint in the body when it comes to bone density, are 4.2 multiples of body weight.

Tyler Wagner: Oh, wow. So you need a lot. Yeah. Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah. Nobody’s lifting that at the gym.

Tyler Wagner: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, let alone post-menopausal females, who are the ones who have this problem, the majority of them. I mean, it does affect some men, one out of five men, three out of five women.

Tyler Wagner: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: So it was just like, “Wow, it takes that much force.” And then, that’s what got me down the path of like, “God, strength training and fitness are just…” I understand the sport of powerlifting and the sport of weight lifting, I get it. But it’s the fitness training methods that are like… And even if the powerlifters, they’re just kind of doing the same thing and it’s like, that’s an inefficient way to get stronger. So why wouldn’t you do a more efficient way if you know about it?

Dr. John Jaquish: And it’s probably because even though they know there’s a book called Weightlifting Is a Waste of Time and they’ve thumbed through it, they don’t understand. Maybe they can’t take the time, but I’m also of the opinion, they can’t take the time, but they just can’t understand it.

Dr. John Jaquish: And it was interesting when I launched the company and I did this with the book too, I launched the company, we started targeting fitness and bodybuilding audiences and it was like people just responded so poorly, just insults, “You should kill yourself. This is dumb. This is BS.” Or like an insulting paragraph about how this is wrong because they come up with some non-scientific justification, “It’s not what Arnold did,” or whatever. Of course, Arnold was a bodybuilder like 40 years ago. Of course, he didn’t do that. This came out like three years ago.

Dr. John Jaquish: And it’s like every other word is misspelled. I’m just blown away, like wow, this is what I’m dealing with in the fitness industry. Medical was so much easier. Because it’s just only evidence. Who would have thought it’s easier to sell something to doctors than it is to bodybuilders? It’s because doctors can learn, bodybuilders can’t. Now, I shouldn’t generalize. Some do.

Tyler Wagner: For sure. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: But we pivoted and we started targeting busy professionals because busy professionals are not stupid. And the good part about not being stupid is that if you go to a gym and you’re going two-three years in a row, and you’re not seeing any results at all, you’re either going to look for a different program or you’re just going to stop and say, “Maybe I’ll go back when there’s something better, but this isn’t working. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, but I don’t have the time to figure it out.” And of course, they read the book and they’re like, “Oh, this is what I was missing. This makes perfect sense. Now, I can look like a pro athlete.” And then of course, also something completely unknown to people, what’s the biggest… I’m going to test you now.

Tyler Wagner: Okay, I’ll try. All right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Are you ready for this?

Tyler Wagner: Yeah, I’m going to try to comprehend this.

Dr. John Jaquish: All right.

Tyler Wagner: Here we go.

Dr. John Jaquish: So the biggest genetic determining factor for athletes who… We all went to high school with a person who… There was a guy at my high school, he mowed lawns one summer and put on 30 pounds of muscle. The guy looked like he had the body of a 25-year-old professional bodybuilder when he was like 16. And it didn’t matter what he did. He would just grow. And so, he and I would work out together. And then at some point, I just couldn’t work out with him anymore, because he was too strong. So what’s the biggest genetic determining factor? And here’s a hint; it’s towards the end of the book.

Tyler Wagner: Towards the end of the book. So wait, I don’t… What I remember the most is the testosterone and human growth hormone as being-

Dr. John Jaquish: No, It’s not biochemical.

Tyler Wagner: Okay. So it’s something else. Oh, shit. I’m got to fail this test. You got to tell me. Tell me.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, I cover this kind of at the end. I think people are kind of tired when they get to the end of the book.

Tyler Wagner: Oh, yeah, I-

Dr. John Jaquish: “I read a lot of science. I think it’s beer 30.”

Tyler Wagner: I did read it all in one day, so I would advise maybe chunking it a little.

Dr. John Jaquish: But here’s the biggest difference, the biggest determining factor is where your tendons connect to your bone. So everybody has the same origin of the muscle. I don’t know how many people watch this podcast versus listen to it, but if you’re watching, I’m sticking my left arm out. And so, I’m pointing at my pectorial. Now, my pectorial inserts are at the sternum in the middle of my chest. That’s its origin. It’s insertion actually, insertion is the other end. So it goes over here and then it attaches at my humerus bone right here, right at the beginning of my bicep.

Dr. John Jaquish: But some people have a mutation. So their tendon attaches over here, close to the elbow. Now, what is this difference right here between the beginning of the bone and the end of the bone? It’s a lever. And on top of that, not only do you have the advantage of a lever, which is going to reduce the perceived amount of weight on the muscle, so you can contract the muscle harder and grow faster. Not only that, but the tendon is elastic. When you sprint, 17% of your energy is recycled from the last stride, because your Achilles tendon snaps back into position, you don’t even have to put energy into it. It is like free energy.

Tyler Wagner: Wow. Okay. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. And this happens all over the body. It’s easiest to study with the toast strike in sprinting because you can see the thing just snap right back into position. So what we’re looking at here is some people have a mutation where they have the longer lever and that lever is made out of elastic material. So it wants to spring back to a fully contracted position. So these individuals have two mechanisms in the body that put them in a massive advantage for contracting muscle in a better way than the rest of us. And this is like 1% of the population or one 10th of 1% of the population may be. It’s rare. But these are the people who get an NFL contract. These are the people who almost no matter what they do, grow. And they can do stupid workouts, they can do workouts that should injure most people, and they just grow muscle.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah, I know a guy like that in Miami.

Dr. John Jaquish: Everybody knows a guy like that. I think it’s like one 10th of 1% of the population that just has this. And it just doesn’t matter what the hell they do.

Dr. John Jaquish: And so, with variable resistance, with the way, especially high ratio variance, which is what I’m doing, you take that advantage and you make it irrelevant. So now, everybody can grow like the NFL player. You still got to eat the right stuff. One gram of protein per pound of body weight, and you need quality protein sources. So no vegetable protein sources, those are worthless. About 9% usable, most vegetables are, and the other 91% goes through you in the form of nitrogen waste.

Tyler Wagner: So you’re not a P-protein fan?

Dr. John Jaquish: No, it’s garbage.

Tyler Wagner: I know, I’m just kidding.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s not-

Tyler Wagner: And you don’t eat any vegetables, right? No vegetables or-

Dr. John Jaquish: No, don’t eat vegetables. Don’t worry about my vitamins. Probably some of the worst recommendations in medicine today are the vitamin recommendations. Mostly because they’re based on expert opinion, no studies whatsoever, from the 1950s. And of course, if you were to get all your vitamins in one day and you had no supplementation, and you just had to eat food, you’d need to eat 27,000 calories a day to get all your vitamins. Also, you’d have to fly in your calories from every corner of the world.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So did people ever eat like that? No. They never ate like that. A rhino doesn’t even eat like that. So the whole vitamin recommendation is just a joke. Do you need vitamin C? No. No, you don’t. I haven’t had anything other than meat and God, it’s been like five years now. No vegetables, no fruit. Isn’t it weird, I don’t have scurvy?

Tyler Wagner: Yeah. That’s interesting.

Dr. John Jaquish: So scurvy comes from having oxalates without vitamin C. Let’s look at what the word antioxidant means.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah, let’s do that… Okay, I-

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s fighting with something. It’s an antioxidant. So why are you oxidizing? Well, because you eat oxalates, water oxalates. It’s a low-grade poison that’s put in every plant to keep you from eating it. I think a deer is 30,000 times more resistant to oxalates than a human.

Tyler Wagner: Ah, that makes sense.

Dr. John Jaquish: So certain animals are oxalate resistant. We’re not, that causes inflammation. And all sugar comes from plants. So the Western diet is 70% plant-based. And people are like, “Well, people already eating 70% vegetables.” I’m like, “No, but a Twinkie’s plant-based. Where do carbohydrates come from?”

Dr. John Jaquish: And this is one of the problems with veganism, is Nabisco knows vegans aren’t eating kale, they’re eating cookies and cake, but it just happens to be cookies and cake that don’t use milk and eggs. So there’s a trillion-dollar industry in peddling them foods that they think are healthy because they just don’t have animal products in them. And it’s an emotional play. So these snack food companies know there are trillions of dollars to be made by selling them what they think they want and what they think will make them healthy.

Dr. John Jaquish: Of course, veganism is going to go down in history like anorexia and bulimia. It’s just an eating disorder based on grotesque misinformation. But here we are, we’re still sort of living in the tidal wave of misinformation and the better information hasn’t come up yet. But the harder they push, like vegans, are trying to make meat illegal. I don’t know if you’re following this story at all.

Tyler Wagner: Well, isn’t that meat, it’s part of the carbon tax and stuff. I don’t know the whole thing but-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And I mean, that’s just completely silly. I mean, what do plants live off of? Carbon. So we want to limit carbon. Okay. You sure that’s bad? Yeah. I mean, no, they don’t know. I mean, does carbon damage the ozone layer? No, not at all, other things do. I mean, the science… And I almost feel like governments are overusing the word… I don’t almost feel this way, I feel this way, overusing the word science, maybe about a pandemic, overusing the word science and they’re just lying their asses off and saying, “Well, this is the science.” Except for the people who can read the science are like, “No, this is the opposite of the science. This is completely 180 degrees away from the science.”

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s a meta-analysis that shows that masks do nothing to stop viral infection. They were made to keep a surgeon from sneezing into an open wound and putting mucus out there. So it’s just to keep a barrier between you and… Or you cut into an artery by accident and it sprays in your face, probably better somebody’s blood doesn’t get in your mouth, right?

Tyler Wagner: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, that’s what those masks are for.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah, man. It blows my mind when I’m down here. I live in Miami and it was just August, with people running. Now, Florida is way better than most other places, but there are still people outside.

Dr. John Jaquish: I was there for the New Year.

*Tyler Wagner: Oh, yeah. Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: I did my New Year’s Eve in Miami.

Tyler Wagner: Nice. Yeah, man. It’s amazing here. And people are running outside with masks on. They’re by themselves, isolated, just running with a mask and you just-

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, other than being in impingement on your breathing, you’re doing nothing, absolutely zero. Also, masks need to be kept sterile. So after they touch your face, they go into the trash. If you keep one in your pocket, you are completely defeating the purpose. It doesn’t make any sense at all. They go from the dispenser to your face, to the trash, and we’re like reusing.

Tyler Wagner: Yep. And you got the double triple. And I think, well, what they do too in politics, it seems like their go-to is they’ll just say something and then they’ll just say, “Trust the science.” Right? And then, people-

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. And there’s no science involved at all, or it’s the opposite of science.

Tyler Wagner: Fauci, I remember he said something, it’s so hard. He was just like, “So one mask is good, but two masks would be better. That would be better.” And-

Dr. John Jaquish: Scientists attacked him for that. Because he has no evidence to say that it’s going to do anything. And actually, there’s no evidence of even one mask doing anything. And here’s the best part, it says it right on the box of a mask. Like, “This will not prevent virus contact.” It says on every box of every mask company, that it will not protect you. Yet, this is like a law in California and a bunch of different states.

Tyler Wagner: The bright side-

Dr. John Jaquish: Listen to this, if you just post a photo of the box of one of those masks, just a photograph of a warning saying it will not stop viral infection, “That’s not the intention of these masks,” you’ll get kicked off of Facebook

Tyler Wagner: Really? Just by that?

Dr. John Jaquish: Uh-huh (affirmative). Oh, yeah.

Tyler Wagner: I believe it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, hey, we live in a clown world.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah, we do. Up is down.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s a clown world as it gets, just unbelievable.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah, it is. It’s fascinating. I forgot what I was going to say, but if it comes back to me, I’ll let you know. So I agree, where I’m dumbfounded by this stuff. I want to remember what it was. It was something again with Fauci. Oh, actually-

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, when he flip-flopped on everything.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah, in the beginning, he said mask-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, the dude has changed his mind. And he keeps saying science and it’s like, “What was science yesterday when you had the opposite opinion, but is it science today, now that you’ve completely changed your position?”

Tyler Wagner: Well, no, and that-

Dr. John Jaquish: He’s Time Magazine’s person of the year, but so was Adolf Hitler. Let’s keep that in mind.

Tyler Wagner: Great point.

Dr. John Jaquish: The press has done an abysmal job of picking winners, traditionally, they don’t know. A lot of people who were considered the bad guy ended up being the real hero and the people who they considered the hero was the bad guy.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah. And this is actually what I was going to say, the only bright side I see to this is for people like you and me, that I think are a more entrepreneurial mindset. There’s a lot of opportunities, more than I’ve ever noticed in my entire life because there’s a lot of people… I’m not quite sure how to help everybody, but like there was a lot of people that need… Like for instance-

Dr. John Jaquish: This is such a great question. How do we get past the educational barrier? Now, I got good news for you. The people who are out there producing… I mean, I’m not necessarily politically like this. I think we need social programs, and fire and police are great, and we need to help out the poor people. I’m very balanced in my opinions of politics. So I’m not on either side. I think both sides have terrible ideas.

Dr. John Jaquish: But what I will say is, past schooling and there are even some questions about schooling today, but past schooling, the only way you learn anything unless you are seeking knowledge is via product marketing.

Dr. John Jaquish: And when people find Fortagen, they start learning about how much protein they need and they realize how important that is. And they’re like, “Wow, I need a gram per pound of body weight. And this Fortagen is so easy. It’s four calories per serving. Four servings, I get the equivalent, the value.” It’s most important to point that out, the value of 200 grams of protein, just from this stuff. As a vegan, they can take care of their protein requirements and grow as much muscle as they possibly can and continue to be vegan, which again, I recommend against. But if they have their convictions, okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: So I have a vegan following, even though I tell people don’t be me vegan, a vegan following, that is excited about eating the bacterial fermentation, which is what Fortagen is made out of, it’s not planted, it’s not animal, it’s bacteria. And so, they consume this and now they’ve solved their largest nutrition problem. They still need B12 supplementation and that’s basically about it. And then, you can eat cardboard, past that, and you’re great.

Tyler Wagner: And B12, is that in meat and stuff at all?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Tyler Wagner: Okay. Got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s necessary for the life of a human being, and they get none of it.

Tyler Wagner: Got it. Okay. So they have to supplement that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, better injection than oral.

Tyler Wagner: Okay. Got you.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, you can eat it in steak, but for some reason, it doesn’t absorb in most supplements.

Tyler Wagner: You know actually what my doctor does sometimes for me? I’m just curious if you ever heard this. They call it a lava shot. So when I get my TRT shot, sometimes they’ll put some vitamin B in it too.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, B12, right.

Tyler Wagner: Yeah. And I feel like I can notice a difference with a higher dose of B vitamin or B12, a little bit more energy, uppity, a little bit more clear, I’d say. So I think that’s probably the best way to do it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Tyler Wagner: So, yeah, man, what I want to do, just because we’re getting a little bit over on time. I want to leave the floor to you. And if there’s anything we didn’t cover, please share. And then also, where can people stay in contact with you? I know Instagram’s a big platform for you and the website and anything else you want to share. I enjoyed that conversation.

Dr. John Jaquish: I think I hit on everything. To address the whole like, “Oh, the book is a commercial.” No, it’s not. It’s full of very valuable information, even if you don’t like my face and you don’t want to buy my product, read the book. The book will change your life.

Dr. John Jaquish: As far as finding me, I created a landing page because my last name is difficult to spell. So a lot of people guess it wrong. I mean, Jaquish, I could give you the history of the family name and it would be boring. But, because my last name is hard to spell, I created a landing page. It’s doctorj.com, D-O-C-T-O-R, the letter J.com. And links to Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, all my products, the book, it’s all right there on one page. I suggest if you’re going to follow me on one social medium, that it’d be Instagram. I like the platform more. I do more on Instagram than anything else.

Tyler Wagner: Mm-hmm (affirmative). That’s perfect. And dude, thank you again for coming on.

Dr. John Jaquish: Tyler, this was great.