S3E22: Dr. John Jaquish | Scientist, Inventor and WSJ Best Selling Author

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Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Welcome to the Fit and fabulous podcast with Dr. Jamie Seaman. Hello everybody, it’s Dr. Jamie. Welcome back to the Fit and Fabulous podcast. You are not going to want to miss today’s episode telling you right now. Put the things down, pay attention to what we’re about to say. Today’s guest changed my life and definitely provoked a lot of thinking in my brain about health and wellness, weightlifting, exercise, diet, and I want to introduce you all to John Jaquish. He’s spent years researching, developing, improving approaches to our health. He’s the inventor of the most effective bone density building medical technology, which is now partnered with Tony Robbins. I’m sure you guys know who that is. It’s called Osteostrong, and he is also the inventor of X-Three, which I don’t know that we can demo. I don’t know if I have enough camera space to demo for you, but we’re going to talk all about it. So a technology proven to develop muscle much faster than conventional weightlifting, all with the lowest risk of joint injury. Dr. Jaquish methods are used in training the world’s most elite athletes and associations such as the entire Miami Heat Organization, nfl and Nba players, as well as Olympians. Dr. Jaquish’s book explaining his non-conventional approach to human physiology is a Wall Street Journal bestseller. He’s also the CEO of Primal Medical Group, a physician group with over a hundred general practitioners that understand and require patient application of both Dr. Jaquish’s physical medicine interventions like X-Iii, and OsteoStrong, as well as optimized nutrition protocols that we’re going to talk about because you guys, your minds are going to be blown. Well, maybe some of you already follow him and already do all these things, but let’s dive into it. Dr. Jaquish, welcome to the Fit and Fabulous podcast.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks for having me.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Okay, take us back in time, little John Jaquish, what was life like before you became who you are now? What led you on this path?

Dr. John Jaquish: So I mean, after I finished undergrad, I was playing semi-Pro. I played rugby all through university and then semi-Pro after that, it was sevens rugby sevens. It’s like seven on seven rugby. It’s a little faster paced game. And then I was working in relationship management software. So basically just using technology that the company I was working with developed to come up with custom solutions to communicate with customers. So for example, Vanguard Mutual Funds, that was one of my customers. And so it would be like prospectus delivery and sort of management based on what the behaviors were in people looking at the financial information. So they were looking at one type of thing in particular, one type of investment. Then they got presented that type of investment. Now this is how the internet works today. We’re talking like twenty-five years ago. So back then it was like, wow, how does my computer know that I’m interested in that?

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: You just have to say it. Small white cats, small white cats, and then one just shows up in your apartment. We’re definitely on your Instagram feed.

Dr. John Jaquish: Where the hell is he? Okay, my cat’s,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: His cat was right behind him earlier. You guys missed it. He is the cutest dang thing. So the

Dr. John Jaquish: Cat might make another appearance, but then again, if he’s wanted, then he won’t. He’s a cat, a true cat. He shows up when he’s trying to piss you off.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: I love it. I love it. Okay, so back to our conversation.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, I was not involved in physical medicine at all, and then my mother was diagnosed with osteoporosis and I was in the middle of getting my mba at the time. So I was happy in the software industry and I was doing phenomenal. And then all of a sudden my mom hits me with this osteoporosis thing and now, or I mean I’m talking about then, but I was in the moment like, okay, she tells me she’s going to quit hiking, quit playing tennis and quit gardening. She doesn’t want to have a fragility fracture. It’s like those were her three favorite things. And I thought, okay, let me learn a little bit more about osteoporosis. She came home and she told me about the side effects from the bisphosphonate drugs, and I was like, yeah, I don’t think I take those drugs either. So she just said, I just got to keep from fracturing, so I have to stay inside all the time. And I thought like, okay, that doesn’t make sense volunteering to be miserable here. So as I began to research bone, and one thing I was lucky to be born with is I have a photographic memory. If I read something and then 10 years later I read something else, I’ll be like, Hey, it’s like that other thing I read 10 years ago, which for some reason I can immediately find that’s just how my brain works. And you put the two together and it’s like you can’t draw a conclusion from one point of information, but you can from two. And so I started to do that. As I was looking into osteoporosis, I thought, okay, let me find the outliers. Let me find who has the strongest bones. Maybe look at what they do and maybe that’ll answer the question of what people should do when they have weaker bone density. Well, the answer was really crystal clear when I started looking at the academic literature because gymnasts have sky high bone density. They also have tons of injuries. So when you look at gymnasts, it is an easy sport to study because they land, they absorb impact in the same way every time. In fact, if they don’t do it in the same way every time, they injure. So the landing hitting the ground is really important for a gymnastics athlete. And so we’re looking at the way they hit the ground, how they absorb force. And then of course, the average gymnast retires at 19 years of age. So I wasn’t going to go tell my mother to go be a gymnast. She was in her seventies. So I go, okay,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Gymnastics is out.

Dr. John Jaquish: What if I could create something that gives the benefit of high impact forces without the risks? And so that was what ultimately ended up becoming, and it worked within 18 months. She had the bones of a 30-year-old and no solve effects at all. And we have 300 osteo strong locations in 15 different countries now. So major metro areas have them

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Explain because your memory is so good, and you’re a really smart guy. I mean, I’ve seen you just spit out studies after studies, after studies, tell people how doctors are traditionally treating osteoporosis and how osteo strong is different.

Dr. John Jaquish: So there’s a category of drugs called bisphosphonates. These drugs keep the older bone material from shedding on the outer cortex, the outside of the bone. So basically if this is a bone in front of me, let’s say it’s this wide, and we’re looking at a cross section. The middle is trabecular bone and it’s what has the most activity, the most

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Metabolically active

Dr. John Jaquish: Generating activity. And then as these cells migrate to the outside, they become more dense, they become pushed together. When you see pictures of the bone matrix, it looks like a honeycomb with all these little walls, and there’s voids in between, and those voids become more compact as you get to the edge. So a bone really is more porous in the middle and then less porous on the outside, and that’s called the outer cortex. So what the bisphosphonates do is keep the older outer cortex from shedding, because normally it gets to the end and then it just kind of sheds and becomes just calcium in the bloodstream again, and as well as 11 other minerals, calcium primarily. Now when we look at the bone metabolism by taking a bisphosphonate drug, you’re interrupting the bone metabolism, and then of course the questions are, well, we can only really see the outside of the bone, even with a dexa scan, which is like a dual X-ray DEXA stands for dual x-ray absorb geometry. So we have the bone, we’re looking at the outside of it. The bisphosphonate drugs make the test we use look really good, but is it actually stopping fractures? And the reality was it looked like people were fracturing only a little bit less, but when they would have fractures, because the outer shell was harder than normal, they would have what’s called a spiral fracture or an abnormal fracture, which is more like a shattering. So instead of a bone having a clean break, it busts apart in a whole bunch of different pieces, and that is a much more difficult fracture to recover from. In fact, that has a high association with mortality.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: I was just about to say, why should people be scared of osteoporosis? I mean, I think most people think you break your arm and put a cast on it,

Dr. John Jaquish: Drugs aside. Yeah. It’s not just putting a cast on. In fact, like a spinal fracture, there is no cast. It just stays there. It just heals on its own. Hopefully in the right place. You really can’t do much about it though, whether it’s in the right place or the wrong place, you just wait and see what happens. So that’s a lousy situation. Also for people who are older who have osteoporosis, the most common activity associated with spinal fractures is sneezing. So it’s not like you’re like, oh, well, I just won’t sneeze anymore. My mom’s attitude of, well, I’m not going to go in the garden anymore. I’m not going to hike anymore. No, no, no. Sneezing is the most common activity. So you’re in trouble knowing what, so okay, how do we address it by addressing it with what the term I coined was osteogenic loading, which wikipedia hijacked from me and ended up, I created the term. And there’s a whole way of Wikipedia page about osteogenic loading, crediting all kinds of people who have nothing to do with the term yet. I’m the first one. My first book is titled Osteogenic Loading. So yeah, created the term, and then a bunch of jealous assholes took it away from me.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: A hundred percent. It doesn’t

Dr. John Jaquish: Matter. I still created it, so fuck them.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: I hope they sleep well at night.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I mean, we live in a world, half of the country is sort of the religion of jealousy. I’m going to screw over anyone who has done,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: If I can’t have it, you’re not going to have it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, exactly. And that’s just like the world we live in, and it’s like I see the troll attacks on me, and it’s just like lie after lie after lie.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Well, I think that comes with being healthy though, because you can’t buy it. You literally cannot attain it without putting in the work. And so it’s like it’s really, yeah,

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Well, and of course people are also jealous of other people.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Yeah. Okay, so tell us about osteogenic loading.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, so a treat of my mother totally reversed her osteoporosis, continued to run a clinic in Napa Valley, California. Not a bad place to

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Be, but was this a prototype? I mean, did you just make some little prototype device and you’re like, mom, get in here. I mean, what is she thinking

Dr. John Jaquish: In your life? Literally, I made it in my garage.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Yeah, okay. I love this.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now the first one was ugly. It didn’t have sea cushions. It had beach towels and duct tape as pads to lean your body on to compress certain parts of the bone. Now it’s robotic. It looks like the future. If you walk into an osteostrom location, you’re like, whoa, this is some star trek stuff. And yeah, it’s awesome, but it needed that first step. Of course, you don’t start with making things that look like they’re from star Trek. It started by some really rudimentary movements. I had metal bars and chains and no movement. The movement comes from the body. So when you see someone doing an osteogenic loading event, and I’ve got these side-by-side pictures of this post-menopausal woman doing it, it looks like she got shorter because a large portion of her legs disappear. Turns out that you can compress the femur by three or four inches under 1200 pounds, which I think is what she was dealing with. Now the bone is supposed to do that. We just don’t think of bone like that. We think of it as a hard structure,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Solid, rigid. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean it is more rigid than muscle, obviously, but it’s not like glass. It moves, it bends, it absorbs forces. And when it absorbs forces in the lower extremities beyond 4.2 multiples body weight, that’s a really important point because a lot of people think like, oh yeah, I mean, I’ll just go for a walk every day and that’s some physical activity and that’ll grow my bone density. No, the minimum dose response is 4.2 multiples of your body weight.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: So how is it different than just weight lifting?

Dr. John Jaquish: Say it again.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: How is it different from weight lifting? You’re saying you can’t achieve 4.2 basically with any other mechanism?

Dr. John Jaquish: No. In fact, even some of the strongest people in the world are not using 4.2 multiples of body wave Impact or impact emulation, which is what I call osteogenic loading. So when we did the first trial that was in at the Stratford Village surgery, which is a hospital in East London, we had one of the machines there and people went through, there was a whole test group that went through this course of loading. Now, these were completely, in fact, if they were athletic at all, they had had any athletic background. They were disqualified from the study. We want people who never exercise just because I didn’t want any factors to raise questions. I wanted a pure test group. And of course, the people who have never done anything, they have the worst bone density than their peers who have been doing some type of exercise, because when you’re younger, the longer you expose yourself to 4.2 multiples body weight, the higher your peak bone mass is going to be when you reach 30 years of age. Generally it’s downhill from 30, but the higher you are at that point, the more bone density you have to last.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: So if I’m listening right now, and I’m a 30, 40-year-old woman, so I’m not to menopause yet, I’m not even getting a dexa scan and worrying about bone density, is this something that you could use to mitigate risk as prevention? Or is this better at treatment? When do you start using something like this? Can you be too young? I mean,

Dr. John Jaquish: Athletic women, we have ’em using in their teens college years. Fantastic. Because now these are the people who build bone density that are sort of above normal kind of supernatural bone density, which is very achievable, not weird at all. So my bone density is 2.3 standard deviations above normal for a 30-year-old of my age, and I’m 46.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Is there any risk of having too strong of bones to your knowledge?

Dr. John Jaquish: Not that anyone has discovered.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Okay. Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’ve been at 2.3 standard deviations above normal for seven years. So I think there is a density limit. Ultimately, you can have a five gallon bucket and you can put three or four tennis balls in it, and there’s still room for more tennis balls. Once you fill it to the top, it’s at the top. So I think your body just celebrates.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Hopefully you’re a good swimmer. You’re dense.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Love it. Because I understand that joke bones are heavy material. It increases your body a little bit, but I don’t sink like a rock when I’m going to walk.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: I wouldn’t doubt you for one second. Okay, you guys, so Dr. Droghish wrote this book, weightlifting is a waste of time, obviously very clever marketing for the title, but I mean, you mean it in the literal sense. The subtitle is, so is cardio. So give us the short and dirty of why weightlifting is an absolute waste of time. Because I mean, I go to the gym and I see people lifting, dumbbells and doing squats and deadlifts. I mean, they look fit. Why is it a waste of time?

Dr. John Jaquish: What

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Percentage of them do you think? I was just about to say, oh, I don’t know. Depends which gym and which part of town I go to, but probably less than 10%. Yeah, less than 10% all comers when you walk into even a fitness class or Yeah, they don’t. Yeah. I actually remember this moment. I was running half marathons. It was after I had my babies and I thought that I had to run half marathons to get the baby weight off. This is my thinking at the time. And I remember watching these people running full marathons and I was looking at them and I was like, well, they don’t look, don’t for fit. And that was my revelation. I was like, what am I doing? Why am I running? This is so stupid. Okay, we’ll dive into that too, but why are people just wasting their time right now?

Dr. John Jaquish: So you notice I didn’t call the book resistance training is a waste of time. I did not call it that. The book is really about variable resistance and how absolutely superior variable resistance is to standard resistance. In fact, in the first reference I use in the book, petrola 2008 demonstrated that most studies on resistance training are self-selecting because they look for volunteers. Well, the volunteers for the studies are all already weightlifters. They’re not just like, Hey, I’ve never lifted a weight. I should give that a shot in a study. So what Petrola show in 2008 was that 23% of human beings cannot, under any circumstances, grow any muscle at all by weightlifting 23% people. And so that gets an interesting conversation started like, wow, that’s like a significant portion of the population. Now why? Let’s look for a mechanism. Well, good news. It’s pretty apparent it’s not a hormonal difference. Not at all. In fact, people can affect their hormones from a pretty strong degree with just nutrition. So the question was why? The answer is where tendons attach into the body. So about 1% of the population has very advantageous tendon layouts. So for example, the origin of the pectoral is on the stern middle of the chest right now, the other end, the insertion can be in different spots for 99% of the population. It’s about right here. It’s that before the biceps starts underneath the deltoid at the top of the humerus bone. However, some people have it over here.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Wow,

Dr. John Jaquish: About 1% of the population has a different location where that tendon attaches. Now, if it’s further the further away from the origin, that’s a lever that’s made out of the most elastic material on earth tendon. So Mike Tyson has this genetic

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Knowledge, I was just about to say name some athletes. Are they baseball pitchers? Are they okay? Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Offsers often, pretty much when you look at the nfl, especially like wide receivers and running backs, not necessarily linemen, the linemen, if you have a 14 pound baby, you got a lineman. The most accurate determining factor of how big someone is going to be, I don’t mean muscular wise, just big, is birth weight, which shouldn’t really be a shock to anybody. But the linemen are gifted from just, they’re just gigantic people. But the power that I’m talking about, the super responders to weightlifting, those are usually the wide receivers and the running backs. And if you look at their tendons, they have tendon insertions like this. So they’ve just got basically rubber bands inside their bodies that are forcing their muscle to become more active during exercise, which forces growth. Now, you can see examples of this When you watch a sprinting race, almost all sprinters have really high calf muscles. I mean, this is also common in African-American community, and they actually have that genetic anomaly more often than people European descent. So when you see really high calf and a long tendon, that long tendon, it’s a rubber band. And the bigger and more powerful it is, the more recycled energy. So most people, when they run 12%, when a sprint, 12% of the energy is recycled because they’re stretching that tendon as it snaps back in place. That energy is, they don’t need to contract the muscle to get that energy. That energy is just there because it’s stretched and then it snaps back. The more tendon you have, obviously the greater percentage. And so also in the more efficient positions, it forces the muscle to be more activated. So these are the people that are not only going to be faster and stronger, they’re going to be able to build more muscle, which ensures that they’re even faster and even stronger than that. Now we can even the playing field, by just training with the same method of variable resistance, it completely equalizes. So as soon as I started training with variable resistance, I lifted weights for 20 years. I was even on testosterone replacement therapy because a rugby injury, I got some testicular damage. So I was on trt testosterone replacement therapy since I was twenty-eight because after having a low level of testosterone, I went into a cardiologist. I was having just irregular heartbeat during rugby games, and the guy’s like, your cardiac muscle is paper thin. And I’m like, what the hell are you talking about? I played rugby. That’s like 80 minutes of sprinting and stopping my cardiac muscle should be super powerful. And he says, you need to see an endocrinologist. We need to know what your testosterone is. Turns out your heart uses the majority of the testosterone in your body. It’s a muscle and it’s the top priority muscle in your body that makes sense. Keeping the heart going is certainly more important than keeping your biceps going, and the body prioritizes it like that. So when I found out my testosterone was a hundred sixty-three nanograms of the deciliter, and I was twenty-eight years old, they were like, whoa, okay, you need to be in a testosterone replacement therapy. We need you right around a thousand nanograms of deciliter. So I got on testosterone replacement therapy. Immediately my heart started doing better also. That was right around the time I was kind of done playing rugby because it was like one of those, am I going to take this seriously and do it play overseas and have my life revolve around that? Or I just thought just went in the direction of I’m just going to take, I got to get a real adult job kind of thing. So went in that direction, still continued to lift weights. I think I might’ve put on five pounds of muscle in 20 years of weightlifting, which is typical. Most people who lift weights get just about nothing out of it. So it’s beyond the Petrello study. I grew muscle really quickly when I was in high school for about two weeks. I put on that 10 pounds of muscle the beginner weightlifters get, and then basically from that point forward, like I said, 20 years, lifting weights, maybe put on five pounds of muscle. I put on some more body fat. I think it was like 19% or something like that when on my 40th birthday, but it was on my 40th birthday. Before that, I was doing a lot of research looking at the bone density research and realizing just how powerful we are when we’re in the impact ready range of motion. So when I’m here, I am seven times more powerful than when I’m here. Once you know that, why would you ever lift a weight? It doesn’t make any sense in anyone who’s done a push-up knows there’s a big difference between when your nose is against

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Because you’re starting at the weakest point and you’re

Dr. John Jaquish: Lifting

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: The weight onto the strongest point’s.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yet for some reason, we’ve chosen, we humans have chosen to ignore the variability in our power production capacity and instead just say lift heavy shit. I mean, it’s just like, it’s one of those where the stupid weightlifter stereotype actually is a thing, and it actually tended to sort of

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Bro-science.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, bro-science, really, it just sort of shackled the thinking, man. It’s like, no, this is the way it is. You just got to lift heavy shit. You just got, I don’t know how many times I was running these theories by professional weightlifters trainers. It was all erratical when I was talking about

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: It. It’s just about volume to them.

Dr. John Jaquish: The end drugs, they’re

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: All

Dr. John Jaquish: Huge fans of performance and energy. Drugs,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Drugs excluded. Volume, volume, volume, volume, volume.

Dr. John Jaquish: You do know the body is supposed to be able to build muscle without drugs. And actually, I had plenty of strength coaches. I had an NFL strength coach that laughed at me when I said that. And I’m like, but all your athletes are drug-tested. He goes, yeah, they’re gifted. He’s like, if regular people want to put on muscle, they should just use steroids. And I was like, wow, you suck. Wow. We’ll not mention who this was. Actually, I like him. Other than that, now he was being super honest. That was just how we felt. He was just like, yeah, yeah, regular people, they’re not going to put on muscle without. And I just thought like, okay, you’ve been too close to this for too long. You’ve been working with too many genetic outliers. That’s not right. So when I prototype X-Three, I actually got the prototype. It was built at a machine shop that builds race cars. I used aluminum. I used some great materials because I wanted, don’t know even the prototype that looked good. Then I put on 30 pounds of muscle in one year.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Wow. 30 pounds in one year.

Dr. John Jaquish: My 40th birthday, I got the prototype, my forty-first birthday. My fraternity bros were looking at me and they’re like, I feel like you’re not even you. You’re like someone else. All of a sudden, I love when you put on 30 pounds of muscle on a six-foot tall person. It’s like they’re completely different.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: So let’s pretend you’re a genetic freak and you are doubling your dose of trt. What data do you have on X-Three? What could people expect using x-Three in a year compared to traditional resistance training, lean body mass gains?

Dr. John Jaquish: I would say there’s maybe a hundred different testimonials on the website where people put on 20 pounds of lean mass in six months, and it’s from guys that are like, I lifted weights for 10 years or 20 years and I gained nothing. And then what about X3, six months later, I have 20 pounds more muscle. My strength is completely different. My posture is completely improved. I’m a high-performance machine. Now that’s a standard response. Now, the other challenge I bumped into very quickly was only about 20% of the people who bought X-Three had that phenomenon. So that’s better than 1%. So weight lifting gets 1% of people strong, 20% of people got stronger with x-three. And then I was like the other people, this is supposed to work for everybody. And I found out what the problem was, and this is tough about it. People were massively under-eating protein, but because they get all this stupid crap from the news that you need your veggies and you need kale smoothies, which Plant-based diet, …, diverticulitis, all kinds of absolute horrible advice. And also at the same time, I wanted the best nutrition advice for myself. So what I ended up doing is I first looked at nutrition research and realized it is a jungle of contradictory claims statements, also major biases. Most nutrition research is paid for by Nabisco General Mills Pizza, hut. I mean, they’re trying to get you to believe that the crap they sell is good for you, and they’re paying lots of scientists to falsify data to say this. Now, I didn’t even want to believe that it was that nefarious until, well, really until Covid. And then it was like, okay, yeah, the medical community has no problem whatsoever, just blatantly lying to people for political reasons. And I also pointed this out on Instagram, why does the government want you to eat food that’s bad for you? Because it’s cheap. And sixty-nine percent of Americans have their budget managed. So I’m putting welfare and wic in the same category as social security. Now they’re very different things, but from the perspective of budgeting, the federal government’s deciding who gets what on how often. Yeah. So would they rather allocate $2 a day so you can eat oreos and some kale or $20 a day so you can eat steak? Yeah. They don’t want you eating steak because they don’t have the money for it. So they’re going to tell you to eat something that’s completely suboptimal because it fits the budget. I mean, it sucks that we have to get socioeconomic about this argument, but that’s just a fact. It’s like,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Yeah, I mean, when you look across the us, the places that have the most obesity, the most diabetes, it tends to be our southern states like Georgia, and they have the lowest income annual income. I mean, it’s absolutely utterly related.

Dr. John Jaquish: It is kind of funny. The United States with all our social programs, our poor people are the fattest.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: That’s

Dr. John Jaquish: Not the

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Way it goes. Starving and suffering.

Dr. John Jaquish: Overfed

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: And undernourished. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: The skinniest people, they’re dying of malnutrition. They can’t eat anything because they can’t afford any food. Just the gluttony and the bizarre expectations. I hear politicians talking about poverty in America all the time, and it’s just like, are people buying this shit? Have they not been to a third world country? This is pathetic.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Yeah. I think recently Rfk Jr was the first person I’ve ever heard who has kind of said on his political platform that he plans to decrease chronic disease by 50% in this country if he’s elected into office and basically said, if I don’t do it, then don’t reelect me. And I thought that was a really bold statement because honestly, in the last number of years since I’ve ever been alive, I’ve never heard that be part of anybody’s political campaign, and it’s like one of the most prominent issues that our country faces.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, he and I have some mutual friends, and apparently he understands carnivore nutrition and he understands exercise. He’s in really good shape. I’m actually interviewing him.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Fantastic, fantastic. Well, I can’t wait to hear it. I

Dr. John Jaquish: Don’t know how long of an interview time I’ll get, but yeah, I’m excited. I want to ask that question. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous. We sell, have a corn subsidy. Everyone knows grains are terrible for you,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: And all of grains are subsidies. Government

Dr. John Jaquish: Subsidizing corn, so it can be chemically rearranged in the form of high fructose corn syrup so companies can make more addictive candy bars.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Fuck those guys.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: You know what I learned? I went to, it’s insane. It’s insane. My husband and I went to Maui and we went to a chocolate factory, like a cacao farm, and I just wanted to learn about the process. It was like how they make coffee and whatever, but they were telling me that they take these cacao beans and they get the cocoa butter out of ’em and real chocolate, real chocolate is like it’s cacao butter. And he said things like Hershey’s, they take that cacao butter out, they sell it to the cosmetic industry to use on our skin, and then they just put vegetable oil in there. So their chocolate is like, it’s literally sugar and vegetable oil. It’s not even freaking chocolate.

Dr. John Jaquish: Two things that are the highest contributors to cancer heart disease.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: I was like,

Dr. John Jaquish: God, they don’t care. I mean, if you’re eating a hershey bar, you kind of get what you deserve, eat crappy

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Food, feel crappy. You

Dr. John Jaquish: Not only chose to eat chocolate, which is a poor choice in general, unless it’s really infrequent, but you chose the cheap chocolate.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Eat some real stuff that’s

Dr. John Jaquish: Really of industrial trash.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Okay. Tell people why cardio is bullshit.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. It depends on the type. If you’re doing high intensity intervals, that’s great. So you sprint hard for whatever a minute, and then you slow down and kind of catch your breath. So you don’t, what hurts people is the steady state cardio. So let’s say they’re at 150 beats per minute and they plan on going for an hour. Okay, that’s going to upregulate cortisol for multiple days. Now, there’s no such thing as a bad hormone. Cortisol is not a bad hormone. It is a hormone that shows up from time to time to generally stop you from what you’re doing. So you drink too much caffeine, cortisol goes way up and you don’t feel bad. Getting out of bed doesn’t feel good. Also, another instance of when your cortisol goes up. So does that mean getting out of bed is bad for you? No. It’s great for you. You need to move around, but it’s still a stress to the system and cortisol goes up. The problem with constant, steady say cardio is to have the effect that you want to be a cardiovascular endurance athlete, you need to be regularly raising your heart rate for more than half an hour. I actually think the cutoff is really 20 minutes, or they might go for an hour or two and they’re raising their cortisol. So chronic raised cortisol does two things. It gets rid of muscle and it preserves body fat. So you stay as fat as possible as long as possible.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: That’s exactly what happened to me trying to run half marathons. That’s

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. That’s what happens to absolutely everybody.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Chubby postpartum mom to be like,

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, everybody’s different. Some people thrive. No, they’re fucking not. Everybody’s different. How come we don’t have 20 different cohorts in every single study out there? Because everybody’s different. Yeah, no, they’re not. So yeah, this is just kind of a universal truth. The more cardio you do, the less muscle you’re going to hold.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Yeah. You don’t see super jacked runners when you look at, they’re like tall, thin,

Dr. John Jaquish: Lean.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Yeah. So do you do any

Dr. John Jaquish: Skin fat? They’re not lean at all. I see a hundred pound women that look skeletal, but still have cellulite.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you’re saying. Yeah. So do you do sprinting or high intensity interval training and addition to X3? Do you do sprinting and hiit

Dr. John Jaquish: From time to time? When I have the time to do it. Two weeks ago, for whatever reason, it was right before the hard to kill summit. I was sprinting, but I don’t have time for that. And when I’m on the road, I certainly

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Dr. Sean O’mara would be proud of you. You can sprint in the hotel parking lots. John, put your X3 out there in the parking lot. Okay, let’s talk more about nutrition. We go wrong. You already kind of said under eating protein and we’ve talked about people eating ultra processed foods,

Dr. John Jaquish: But

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: You eat a very,

Dr. John Jaquish: Then I started looking, you eat a

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Carnivore diet.

Dr. John Jaquish: Say it again.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: You eat a carnivore diet. Yes,

Dr. John Jaquish: Correct. Yeah.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Okay. Tell people how you came to the conclusion that is optimal.

Dr. John Jaquish: So when I first started looking at nutrition, I had no bias. If was like the literature had said, eat broccoli all day long and you’ll be lean and strong and live a long time, then that’s what I’d be doing. But that is profoundly not what’s there. Vegetable protein in general does not include the amino acids we need mostly because we do not have a working appendix. So the appendix in other primates converts fiber into essential amino acids. We don’t have an appendix that does that. So fiber, we don’t need it. In fact, it causes more problems than it solves. And there’s literature to back that up because I don’t remember. I tell people, fiber, you don’t need it. In fact, you’ll be better off without it. They’re like, whoa, how do you keep things moving? I’m like, I don’t know. When you plug up your toilet, do you shove a couple of bath towels in there and just flush it 20 times? In essence, what fiber is? You think you’re clearing a blockage by adding more blockage? Does that make any sense? I’m an engineer. It probably makes sense to me, and maybe it doesn’t make sense right off the bat to most people, but hey, stuffing more stuff in the pipe is not how to clear the pipe, and that’s actually not an oversimplification. That’s literally what we’re told. I got to keep things moving with fiber. No, because when you take fiber out of your diet and you eat all meat, first of all, your bowel movements are almost non-existent. They are so small, and you’re like, sometimes I’ll have three pounds of steak in a day, and then the next morning I use the restroom and I’m like, when I first did this,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: That’s all you got. Where

Dr. John Jaquish: Did it all go? Now I’ll tell you where it all goes. It all goes in your body. Your body uses it. Clue number one, if your body uses it, probably something you should be eating. Now, if not much waste product comes out, that’s probably the most efficient food on earth. But my approach really came from looking at all this just silliness and bias in nutrition research and going, okay, I’m going to take a step back and I’m going to see what are the things that are, so it was a little like the osteoporosis problem, but take a step back and see who lives the longest and wasn’t looking at what they’re eating. Because most, there’s so much bias, and it’s sort of like every time somebody lives over a hundred years, nabisco flies out and says, Hey, we’ll give you 50 grand if you say you ate triscuits every day. So the whole blue zone thing, that’s bullshit.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Tell people why.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, all of the blue zones have one thing in common, no birth records. So it’s just like they’re all lying and they’re lying, and they get paid by some charlatans that are selling a carbohydrate based product and have the people say, oh, yeah, I just eat a lot of fiber and that’s why I’m 110 years old. And of course, they’re not 110, they’re like 90, which is lying. So that whole thing is just forget about all that. As I took a step back, I’m like, okay, let’s look at outcomes instead of nutrition, and that’ll give me a clue. So once I realized that the two greatest drivers of long life are low levels of body fat, high levels of strength, those are two things that make you live the longest. Well, there’s only one nutrition plan, only one that coincides with those two outcomes, and that’s eating meat and nothing else. And that is an infallible way of determining how we should be eating. What are the outcomes? You’re not going to get as strong as possible by eating vegetables. In fact, with the oxalate issue and the chronic cellular inflammatory issue, you can’t even contract a muscle and use your joints properly when you have oxalates in your system. So get ’em out. It’s amazing. When I cut vegetables from my diet, which I never liked vegetables by the way, as soon as I on my diet, it was just like nothing hurts. It’s weird, especially for a rugby player, which I’ve done horrible things to every joint in my body, and all of a sudden I have no pain. The pain, I took some abuse from rugby, but the pain was coming from the toxins in vegetables. Now, fruits don’t include those toxins. So I will say if somebody wants to have a carbohydrate, they’re like, God, I just really want to have something sweet. I don’t do it, but my wife’s a perfect example, especially around her menstrual cycle. It’s

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Just like, yeah, can I have some blueberries or something? Yeah,

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. That’s what she does, raspberries and blueberries, and usually mixes it with kind the bitter greek yogurt. So’s a little bit

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Contrast. Yep, exactly.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. She ends up having six or seven drinks of carbohydrate a day.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Do you think women need a few more carbs than men? I mean, we’re still talking real low carb diets, but do you have any thoughts in literature you’ve looked at? I guess my real question is, do you think zero carb is really optimal, or do you think we could have a lot of muscle and be lean between zero and 50 or zero and 30, or does it have to be zero?

Dr. John Jaquish: I noticed very quickly. I mean, my wife is really the only female I’ve ever watched monitored from this perspective, just for proximity reasons. She’s just right there all the time.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Subject one,

Dr. John Jaquish: By the way, she look just like this picture.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Exactly, exactly. Somebody painted that. It’s not a photo.

Dr. John Jaquish: I painted it.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: You painted that?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Wow. I don’t think I knew that. I’ve seen that picture shared, but I did not know you painted that. That’s incredible. That’s incredible. You get seven gold stars, you’re like, lift weights, eat meat, and you can paint. That’s incredible.

Dr. John Jaquish: The

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Other one, yeah, if you guys are on Apple, you got to go to YouTube and see what we’re talking about, so

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s awesome. Oh, yeah, you’re listening to this. You’re really missing out. That one I was commissioned to do for a Lebanese law firm. It’s hanging in their lobby, but it’s a picture of Beirut is sort of in the background, and it’s a woman in an evening gown holding a machine gun.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: How long did it take you to paint this picture of your wife? How many hours?

Dr. John Jaquish: Used some digital assistance

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Still though.

Dr. John Jaquish: It was some, basically I created an image of her, which I kind of traced over a picture photo,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Like paint by numbers?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I’m not torturing myself. I started with a clean picture.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Amazing.

Dr. John Jaquish: And then I digitized the image, and then I made four different layers and then space them out equidistant, which is why you see the fade going this way of different colors. There’s a green version of her, there’s a pink version of her. There’s a yellow version of her, and they all sort of bleed away, which it was kind of inspired by this painting called Spectrum that it was in a TV show that she liked, and she always loved the painting, and the original was up for auction. And she was like, oh my God, they’re selling my favorite painting. And I was like, sweet, I’ll just buy it. And it was 8 million British pounds, around $14 million.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: You can just buy her another cat. She doesn’t need the painting.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I was like, I’ll just make one with you. And she’s like, you can’t do that.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. Cool. Tell

Dr. John Jaquish: Me I can’t do something

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: That’s a labor of love right there. Okay, so tell us what your daily regimen is like, because I know you do some fasting too. Give us an idea of your daily schedule.

Dr. John Jaquish: So I’m working on some nutrition programming with options because what I do is great for somebody who wants to be the best, who wants to be. Now I say the best years old. I think I’m in much better shape than almost a hundred percent of people my age, though every once in a while, somebody’s like, well, you’ll never look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. The pictures of Arnold Schwarzenegger that you see were him in his twenties.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: You went plant-based. It didn’t go well.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. Yeah. Right. And for a lot of other reasons, it’s like, okay, you just compared me to the best guy ever. The fact that you even compared me means I’ve won this argument. So anyway, to be the best, I’ve identified a couple of different approaches. So fasting is so much easier than calorie restriction. Just hands down, you’re not hungry until you start eating. Small meals drive you out of your mind, and they’re not sustainable because I see people who take a bodybuilder’s approach to dieting and they limit their calories. And guess what? As soon as they have their contest, or as soon as they hit their goal weight off, they balloon right back off the, it’s not sustainable, but being carnivore with fasting, so no carbohydrates or very low carbohydrates. Also, I didn’t really answer the women question. When it comes to carbohydrates, nobody’s really zero because there’s glycogen in muscle meat. I mean, yeah, it doesn’t show up on your whatever. Fitness pad.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Cgm, yeah,

Dr. John Jaquish: Application, right? But there’s carbs in there, I noticed. And what I was saying about observing my wife, she started really preferring eggs and cheese. Well, there’s carbs in eggs and cheese now there’s 0.4 grams of carbohydrates in every egg. And so I’m thinking, that’s interesting. And she didn’t know that, by the way. She just gravitated towards those things. So there’s no clinical data that suggests anyone does better on carbohydrates. I come across people all the time. They’re like, well, I do better on carbs. Oh, you mean you’re fat? Okay. That’s really what that no one does better. All of the studies that look at athletes and athletic performance when they go as close to zero carbohydrate as they can, there’s no performance difference.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Do you think? Some of it is when people try to reduce dietary carbohydrates, they’re not managing sodium and potassium, especially just in the first couple weeks. I think the longer you’ve been on it, you’re

Dr. John Jaquish: Fine the first couple weeks.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: But what I see is people, they’re like, I’m going to go keto, and then no management of sodium and potassium. And they’re like, oh, no, no, I needed carbs. And then they add carbs back in, and then it’s this self-reinforcement like, oh, see, I do better with carbs.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. I do think that’s it. And my wife was like, I’m hypoglycemic, and I’m like, put some salt and some warm water and slug it down. And a minute later she was like, it’s gone. You have an electrolyte imbalance. Well also think about when you’re having carbohydrates, you retain four grams of water and four grams of carbohydrates. You take the carbohydrates out of your diet. Now you’re retaining way less water, which means you have less cerebrospinal fluid, which means your brain is not floating. It’s sitting on the inside of your skull, which gives you brutal headaches. So electrolytes can make up that difference. And for a period of time, I encourage electrolyte use. But then for me, in fact, I just ate a ribeye before starting this coli. That was the first food I had in eighty-five hours or moisture. I had a couple of glasses of water with that steak, so I dry fast.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: So you were dry fasting?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, for three and a half days.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: What about the people that say that you lose muscle with fasting?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I mean, some of those people are just fools. I don’t know what they’re talking about. That’s not what the literature says. When Peter Atiyah says it, the guy would fast for 10 straight days, and that’s not really an intermittent fast. That’s just not eating for days and days and days. Intermittent fasting is like forty-eight hours, seventy-two hours. What I just did, eighty-five like detraining starts in nine days. Now detraining meaning you stop exercising and you start losing muscle. So that takes nine days. However, if you’re training with suboptimal nutrition, as in none, certainly be suboptimal. You’re not going to be able to really stimulate anything. And so yeah, you’re going to lose muscle, but I would never have people fast for that long. In fact, if they want more out of the fast, they should look into dry fasting, which my last fast was dry.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Explain why dry fasting is better than drinking fluids and not eating

Dr. John Jaquish: Well. I don’t want to say it’s better. I want to

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Say it’s fasting. Wet fasting sounds like a weird name.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Well, water fasting is generally what they

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Call

Dr. John Jaquish: As in all you consume is water. With a dry fast, your body still has plenty of water. It’s called metabolic water. It is what suspends fatty acids within fat cells. When you are dehydrated, that dehydration, it’ll last for four or five hours, and then all of a sudden you’re not dehydrated anymore. What happened? Also, even multiple days of dry fasting, you’ll urinate the same amount every day. Where’s it coming from? It’s coming from your fat cells. So your body starts pulling water out of fat cells. This is called metabolic water, and it rehydrates you. Now those fat cells get destroyed, which is very different than regular weight loss. So calorie restriction shrinks fat cells, but the cells are still there. So this is why you see people on the biggest loser, they lose 150 pounds and they still have all the cells of a 400 pound person, and now they’re whatever, 250 pound person. But as soon as they stop massively restricting the calories, they blow right back up to their old size because the cells are still there. If they overeat just a little bit, it’s guaranteed it’s going to be stored. And so they’re at a major disadvantage because of how fat, they have been there for an extended period of time. That’s their homeostasis being fat. With dry fasting, they can actually destroy those cells, which I think is a huge opportunity. Now you got to talk to your physician and you got to read the research. There are two papers, one out of Germany, one out of Greece that talk about five days, no food, no water. Read them out loud to your doctor. If your doctor says you’ve gone over the minimum appointment times say, can I pay you extra so I can read this to you? Don’t ever leave a study with a physician. They won’t read it, but if you read it to them, they’re usually too polite to tell you to get lost.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: I love that. I love that. Okay,

Dr. John Jaquish: So I

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Go, I want you to tell people, first of all, where they can find X-three, but I want you to tell people about the New Force bar and why this is the new best thing when it comes to X-three technology.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yes. Yeah, the force bar. So X-three is the world’s most powerful variable resistance home product. There’s a lot of ways to get variable resistance at professional powerlifting gyms. You can’t really find it at a standard gym because it requires very specialized setups, banding. Sometimes chains are used, so the more of the chain that you lift up, you’re lifting a greater percentage of weight as you move through space. Similar with the banding variable resistance in every case, and every serious study has outperformed standard resistance training multiple times over. It is almost like one is effective and the other one’s just not effective. Regular weightlifting, hence the title of the book, weightlifting is a Waste of Time. It’s really, weightlifting is a waste of time by comparison to what we can get with variable resistance. And that’s laid out right in the first chapter. So sometimes people see the cover and they’re kind irritated, and then they start reading and they’re like, oh, okay, there’s a solution to this problem. But that was x-three. The problem with exercise in general, strength exercise in general is we don’t really have a good way to measure progressive overload. So progressive overload means you are training with a slightly greater amount of work every session,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Reps and weight, one of the two

Dr. John Jaquish: Or both reps, or weight or just time. The problem is, other than counting repetitions, which is very inaccurate, you don’t really know. So sometimes somebody starts lifting weights and they do 10 repetitions with a given weight, and then the next time they go in, they do 12 repetitions with that same weight. So yay, that’s progressive overload. No, because you did those repetitions faster, which actually means you did less work, not more work. And there really hasn’t been a way to track progressive overload. And while progressive overload is the principle that drives all muscular growth, there really hasn’t been a way to measure it. So now, I mean, obviously over time when you have somebody who starts off not very muscular, and they put on 10 pounds of muscle and they’re lifting heavier weights for more repetitions. Yeah, I mean, there’s been some progressive overload there, but measuring it from workout to workout is so, the increments are so small, you can’t see ’em. By just counting repetitions, you need something more accurate and repeatable. So I came up with a version of X-three called X-Three four, which captures the force. So you set it up, bluetooth on your phone, it tells you exactly what your workout putting so slower, more controlled repetitions, because the software samples three times per second. It gives you credit for creating more force because you did, as opposed to a faster, less controlled repetition. So slow cadence, two seconds up, two seconds down is generally what you want to stick to. And if you do that, you will see that you have grown muscle every single workout. You’ll actually see it plotted on the screen right in front of you. You will be stronger every single time, and nothing has been able to deliver on that idea. Some things have tried, but such

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: An objective way.

Dr. John Jaquish: I expect the X3 force score to absolutely take over the entire fitness industry. I think in 10 years there won’t even be a fitness industry. It’ll just be how powerful.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: That’s amazing. Okay, so to wrap up, John, we’re going to pivot into the last part of the podcast called The Semen Analysis. My favorite part, give people your top three takeaways. What do they need to do tomorrow to start living a better life? Besides ordering the X-three system,

Dr. John Jaquish: Single words, or three,

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: You can have as many sentences as you want. What do people got to change right now? It’s going to take time to live the life of John

Dr. John Jaquish: J Quash. Okay, you go. I mean, I almost hate calling it carnivore. That just sounds so aggressive. Yeah, I mean, guys, get into that, but I think that’s a turn-off for women. I’m just going to level with everybody. Nutrition is animal protein. Anything non-animal protein, I can shoot it down. Oh, it’s got a lot of vitamins and minerals, but the vitamins and minerals, the number of those things, the recommended daily allowances were driven by expert opinion in the 1930s. It is the weakest most piece of shit piece of information in medicine today. It’s an absolute abomination, an embarrassment. Literally, the shittiest advice is on vitamins and minerals. So what is there to do? Well, what I do is I eat primarily muscle meat. Now, I’ve always liked liverwurst. My mother’s from Belgium, they ate a lot of liverwurst there. I don’t know. It’s close to Austria, it’s close to Germany. It’s a liverwurst part of the world. So I grew up like a burger patty and a slice of liverwurst and just melts into the burger. And I just think that’s dynamite. Now, the good news is if you’re in nervous pants and you worry that I’m not going to get a all of vitamins, I need always somebody like that. It’s like eat some liverwurst now eat it in proportion to how you would find it in nature

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: If you were going to, so

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s 500 pounds of muscle meat in an A cow. Yeah. Liver weighs two pounds. So basically for every 250 pounds of steak you eat, you need about a pound of liver or just a ratio.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: It’s definitely not that much.

Dr. John Jaquish: So you do not need all that much at all. In fact, if you have a lot of it, if you have way too much, you can get vitamin A poison. That’s bad. You don’t want that. So

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Especially polar bear liver

Dr. John Jaquish: Have two ounces of liver worst by two ounces a week. So flavorful. You don’t want to have it every day.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: Well that’s like I always wondered if the desiccated capsules really had enough, but what you’re saying that’s probably right. You’re probably fine just taking some desiccated capsules. Yeah,

Dr. John Jaquish: In fact, I mean amongst the liver king’s problems, the worst thing I think he was doing, for those who are listening and don’t know what the liver king is, this guy was promoting any liver and he would eat so much of it and I’m like what he was doing on camera. I’m like, you’re going to get vitamin A poison like you’re not supposed to eat liver like it’s state. But the guy ended up, he was on a bunch of steroids and growth hormone and shit like that. He was lying about it. So bummer. I liked his message of eating liver. I hoped he was natural. I really wanted him to be a natural. I wasn’t. So you got to start realizing that carbohydrates exist. First of all, there’s no such thing as an edible vegetable. They’ve all been engineered, all of ’em in some way cross pollinated or whatever, and they were always from the very beginning developed to feed poor people. So it’s find something to feed people so they continue living, but we don’t really care how healthy they are. The king’s Pharaohs made these decisions thousands of years ago and it wasn’t for health, it was because it was cheap. So don’t go cheap when it comes to your health. Stop eating grains. Stop eating fruit, stop eating vegetables. Meat is nutrition. And so that’s my biggest takeaway. Then the other thing is if you have body fat to lose, really go down the fasting rabbit hole. You don’t need to dry fast. You can say that’s crazy. I think it’s the most natural thing ever. Once you’ve done a proper dry fast and your body’s used to fasting, it’s like a god-like power. In fact, Jamie, if you look at my face, you can tell my face is leaner from when it was two weeks ago when we were hanging out Like a lot. So it works so well. And then the other thing is variable resistance. Like read the book. Weightlifting is a waste of time. Everyone who’s read it, even people who don’t use X3, like little old ladies who just want to use variable resistance at the gym, maybe they only need one band that provides a little bit of resistance. The fact is you’re seven times stronger when you’re at extension than when you’re in the weaker range of motion. So once you know that a weight doesn’t make sense, you need the weight to change as you move. That’s what we need to trigger our bodies to grow.

Jaime Seeman, M.D.: I love it. I love it. Okay, you guys, get the carbs out of your life. Try some fasting, eat your meat and do variable resistance training. Maybe you’ll be lucky enough to look like Dr. John Jaquish. You guys incredible. Thank you so much you guys. Thank you for listening. If you made it this far, share this with somebody. Seriously, we depend on you to spread these messages around the world. We will catch you guys on the next episode. Did you guys love that last episode of the Fit and Fabulous podcast? Well, of course you did, and I want to keep bringing you the most amazing content from the most incredible people and you can help me by subscribing to the Dr. Fit and fabulous channel. You guys know where the button is? Just click it. It’s the doctor’s orders.