The Beauty in Strength with Dr. John Jaquish Episode 14

Dr. John Jaquish is a Wall Street Journal best-selling author and an inventor of the most effective bone density building medical device, which has reversed osteoporosis for thousands and created more powerful and fractured resistant athletes. Dr. Jaquish quantified the variance between the power capacities from weak to strong, bringing him to his second innovation, the X3. The research indicates that these products build muscle faster than conventional lifting and do so in less training time, all with the lowest risk of joint injury.

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Elizabeth Molina: Hello, my beautiful people. You know it is Hump Day, because I am here talking to you, and you know that I release these episodes on Wednesdays. So excited to be here, and we have another amazing guest because you know I bring you nothing but quality. His name is Dr. John Jaquish, Ph.D. He is a Wall Street Journal bestselling author and an inventor of the most effective bone density building medical device, which has reversed osteoporosis for thousands and created more powerful and fracture-resistant athletes. His devices were put into production and have since been placed in over 300 clinics worldwide.

Elizabeth Molina: Osteogenic loading has now helped over 20,000 individuals with their bone health. Dr. Jaquish also quantified the variants between power capacities from weak to strong ranges in weightlifting, which brought him to his second innovation, X3 . The research indicates that this product builds muscle much faster than conventional lifting and does so in less training time, all with the lowest risk of joint injury.

Elizabeth Molina: Dr. Jaquish is a research professor at Rushmore University, speaks at scientific conferences all over the world, has been featured on many of the top health podcasts, is an editor of multiple medical journals, and is a nominee for the National Medal of Science. I am so excited to have him on here because we’re going to have some controversial topics that we’re going to be discussing, including why not weightlifting, the whole fitness trend, and so many more things.

Elizabeth Molina: Welcome, Dr. Jaquish, aka Dr. J. How are you today?

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m super. Thanks for having me, Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Molina: Oh, you’re… I mean, thank you for being here. I mean, you know, I’m going to put you on the spot on the podcast. I don’t normally do this, but I think I’m inspired by you, as being my guest, to have a little section called Rumor Has It, so be prepared.

Dr. John Jaquish: All right, well, there’s all kinds of crazy rumors going around about me. Most of them are just ludicrous, but I always… I enjoy even the ludicrous ones. They’re very comical.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay, so we’re going to sneak them in there, if you’ll let me.

Dr. John Jaquish: All right.

Elizabeth Molina: Thank you. I want to start talking about, first of all, let’s talk about your product, right? Let’s talk about what made you disrupt the fitness world, and do you feel like your research and technology threatened your competitors, who use your the traditional way of getting lean and building muscle?

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay, yes, it’s a threat to the old way of getting fit, but let’s face it. The old way of getting fit didn’t work for many people. If you think about it, the people who you know, who go to the gym three or four times a week and have been doing so for years, do they look any different? Right?

Elizabeth Molina: Silence.

Dr. John Jaquish: They don’t.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, and in fact, there’s data on the top leanest one percentile of males in the nation; it’s 10.9% body fat, basically 11% body fat. That’s the best 1%. Now, the percentage of body fat is a wonderful number, because it considers muscularity also because the more muscular you become, the lower your percentage of body fat will be, so you have a relatively pathetic number in the top percentile. That shows you, that there are not a lot of fit people out there, and there’s a reason why it’s so coveted. People want to be fit so badly, because hardly anyone is, and why are we trusting an industry that might have a 99.9% failure rate?

Elizabeth Molina: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Who is fit looking? Who has completely visible abdominals and muscularity at the same time? Is it one in 10,000 people? Maybe one in 50,000 people? It’s just uncommon.

Dr. John Jaquish: When that is how we define fitness, that’s how we define an admirable physique… Look at the statue from 800 years ago of Hercules that’s in… I’m thinking of a particular one; there have been a lot of statues of Hercules. This particular one that’s kind of famous, he’s leaning on a tree branch, and he’s hung a lion’s skin over the tree branch, but 800 years ago, the guy looked incredible. They didn’t even have performance-enhancing drugs back then. It’s just so rare is my point. Somebody had to sit for that statue to be created. There was a guy that looked like that 800 years ago, but my point is it’s just so rare. Now, there are a couple of genetic reasons, which can be bypassed, and I discuss that in my book, Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time: So Is Cardio, and There’s a Better Way to Have the Body You Want .

Elizabeth Molina: Oh, I need that. I need to get that book, because… and we’re going to get into that book.

Dr. John Jaquish: I thought you had it.

Elizabeth Molina: No, I don’t.

Dr. John Jaquish: No? Oh.

Elizabeth Molina: No, I want to get a signed copy. I’m waiting for the signed copy from-

Dr. John Jaquish: I can send you a signed copy.

Elizabeth Molina: Then rumor has it, but I’ll bring that up, but I’m excited to get my signed copy.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay.

Elizabeth Molina: I want to go back a little bit to this technology that you spoke about. You talk about Hercules, right? Let’s pretend, like back in the days, we all know Hercules is known for being super buff and strong, and like you said, no performance-enhancing drugs or medications or supplements, whatever you want to call them.

Dr. John Jaquish: Again, somebody sat for that statue. For those of you who listen to me talk and don’t understand what that means, somebody had to sit there and sit still while the sculptor created the sculpture.

Elizabeth Molina: Yep, they had to pose.

Dr. John Jaquish: So there was a guy who looked like that. They don’t just invent muscles out of their mind, because they don’t know the anatomy. There were very few anatomy classes 800 years ago, but people could sit for a statue, so there had to be a guy like that.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, and so I want to kind of touch on nutrition a little bit, talking about that, and your book, right? What are your thoughts on nutrition? Because you said 99.9% of the population is not succeeding in that.

Dr. John Jaquish: They’re not.

Elizabeth Molina: When you were asking me a question about… You said, “Who do you know that’s really fit and who’s going to the gym all the time?” I’m thinking, yeah, they’re going to the gym all the time, but they’re also meticulously counting their calories, their macros, their protein.

Dr. John Jaquish: And they still don’t look any different, do they?

Elizabeth Molina: Not by that much.

Dr. John Jaquish: Mm-hmm (affirmative), no.

Elizabeth Molina: Let’s talk about that. I want to hear your thoughts on these fad diets, these new diets that we know that Hercules was not doing.

Dr. John Jaquish: Primarily what I eat is red meat. Now, I also… It’s all about the quality of protein when it comes to building muscle. Now, the two greatest drivers of long life are high levels of muscularity and low levels of body fat. Those are the two things I’m kind of best at, having a low level of body fat and a high level of muscularity. Now, how does that happen the easiest?

Well, you have to have a lot of dietary protein, and it has to be of quality, so vegetable protein is only 9%, it’s like 9% to 4% usable by the body, so you can have whatever, 100 grams, but it only counts like nine grams. That would be like a pound and a half of broccoli will give you nine grams of use, but you need one gram per pound of body weight, and not a lot of people weigh nine pounds, especially adults, so you can’t have vegetable sources and get anywhere. IYou’relosing muscle the whole time you’re vegan or vegetarian.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s why there’s weight loss, also. Yeah, they’re losing body fat because they’re at a caloric deficit, but they’re also losing muscle very rapidly, and that contributes to a lot of chronic conditions and early death. Does it do some good things for you, going vegan or vegetarian? Yeah. Yeah, it does. It cuts a lot of processed food out, and that’s good, but you can cut processed food out and still have animal protein in your diet.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s primarily where I am. Now, I did create a product that wasn’t specifically for vegans. It was for everybody, but a lot of people, when they found out one gram per pound of body weight like I weigh 240 pounds, so 240 grams of protein is like two and a half pounds of steak, and I eat one meal a day, because I want a fasted benefit, also.

Dr. John Jaquish: When you sit down for one meal and try to eat two and a half pounds of steak, that last half-pound, you don’t love it. It’s like work, and you don’t feel good afterward, so your girlfriend wants to cuddle with you, and you’re like, “No, just let me digest.”

Elizabeth Molina: Not going to happen.

Dr. John Jaquish: “Let me just lay here.” That just wasn’t great, so I worked with a group who had engineered a cancer treatment that was a very usable, essential amino acid product. Most essential amino acid products are about as usable by the body as sand, unfortunately. Yeah, there might be the amino acids in there, but they weren’t created correctly. They weren’t created with fermentation. We’re supposed to eat rotting stuff, and obviously for sanitation reasons we don’t, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: What this is, is it gives us the benefits of that rotting material, that fermentation, without the taste, and it’s clean, and there’s nothing that’ll give you an infection or anything. Yeah, and so it’s called Fortagen.

Elizabeth Molina: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Then I only have to eat like a half-pound of steak, and I’m good.

Elizabeth Molina: And now you can cuddle with your girlfriend.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s right.

Elizabeth Molina: So everyone wins here.

Dr. John Jaquish: Everyone wins. I’m glad you met my girlfriend, so it’s not-

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, I did. She’s so sweet.

Dr. John Jaquish: A strange conversation.

Elizabeth Molina: No, no, no. Yeah, for those of you guys who don’t know, I do know his girlfriend. She’s so sweet. I did meet her. We’re trying to get her on here, but she’s doing other activities right now and working, but she is the sweetest person I’ve met so far.

Dr. John Jaquish: Good.

Elizabeth Molina: I love her. She’s amazing. Hi. Just waving to her, so when she sees this, we’re thinking about her.

Elizabeth Molina: Let’s take it down a notch. So you don’t recommend… When people talk about becoming vegan or vegetarian or raw, they not only do it because of the benefits of may be lomaybeeight or taking out those processed foods, but also the impact on the environment, right? All these farm foods… because not all protein is made equal, right? Let’s be honest about that, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Elizabeth Molina: A grass-fed, grass-finished cow, beef, is not the same as an industrial, commercialized-

Dr. John Jaquish: Corn-fed, right.

Elizabeth Molina: Corn-fed, right exactly, cow, who is fed with hormones and antibiotics and you name it. Let’s talk about that a little bit. I would love for you to shed some light on what your intake is on the people who are concerned with carbon footprint and saving the animals.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, the carbon footprint idea, or the methane that… There were twice as many bison in the United States before Europeans migrated here tthenthere are cows, so where was all the methane and global warming back then? Now, is methane created from grass? Yeah, and if the grass died just seasonally and then came back the next spring, rotting material, dead plants, leaves that fall on the ground from trees, that creates methane, too, like the same amount, so whether the cow is eating it or it just sits there, it’s methane equals methane. It’s the same thing. A lot of this is just a gross misunderstanding of what methane is.

Dr.John Jaquish: Also, manmade methane, the number one cause is the medical industry. I think that’s like 80 or something percent of the methane created in the western world is created by making pharmaceuticals, and I think it’s like one or two percent come from cows.

Dr. John Jaquish: First of all, greenhouse gases are natural. They come out of volcanoes. They come out of plants. They come out of rotting material. We’re not going to do anything about that unless you want to cut down every tree, then we’ll all die for another reason, and so will every animal. Is that saving the planet? Doesn’t sound like it.

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s no… The sustainability argument was a false narrative created by vegans and Seventh Day Adventists. By the way, Seventh Day Adventists, it’s part of their religious mandate that they convert everybody to being vegan or vegetarian, so yeah, they’re doing their religious work. I mean, I guess, good for them, until they start lying in the press about things like this. Then that just becomes annoying.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also, then this kind of issue gets brought up in Congress, and then people are voting on taxes on food and different things that they don’t understand. People in Congress have no understanding, yet they want to jump in the middle of it because it’s political. After all, people care. I just find the situation pretty alarming.

Dr. John Jaquish: Then also, there’s political correctness, so we want to be nice to animals. Now, here’s a statistic, seven billion animals are destroyed every year for the sake of vegetable farming, so growing vegetables kills just as many or more animals as eating animals. The reason is, how many gophers do you need to kill to keep them out of your field? I mean, poisoned by the thousands. Birds are poisoned by the thousands. Then, of course, other animals eat the dead birds, and then they die, too. Then deer, if a deer gets in a vineyard… I went to high school in Napa Valley. I watched deer jump into vineyards and immediately get shot. You can’t get a deer to walk out the front gate. They’re as dumb as cockroaches. They don’t understand that. You’ve just got to shoot them, and so they did. I saw deer shot all the time.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, I do know that.

Dr. John Jaquish: I know it’s a bummer, like well, yeah, I guess the deer just went to the wrong place, like should’ve gone somewhere else to eat, but yeah, that’s just part of it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also, from a broader perspective, and this is what everybody should keep in mind, any species that’s growing is taking resources away from another species. This isn’t just true of humans. If more snakes show up, they eat more mice. They eat so many mice that there’s a lower population of mice in a given area, so they’re taking resources because they’re an expanding population. That has a way of balancing itself out later on, but as long as we have an expanding population, we’re going to take resources from something, no way around it. The joke is, yeah, if you want to help the planet, just kill yourself.

Elizabeth Molina: Oh my gosh.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I mean, that’s a bad joke, but scientists are like, we’re people. We take up resources. There’s no way that we’re not going to take up resources, no matter what we do, so if it’s an acre garden we have to kill all kinds of animals to stay out of eating the food we intend to eat, well, are we doing anything? No.

Elizabeth Molina: Right, right. I also want-

Dr. John Jaquish: We took the land from the animals.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, no, and I wanted to… Exactly, I wanted to clarify. I know you said earlier about the deer, to shoot them, and I wanted to just clarify for reference that if you read your state laws, and you see that farmers, like a peach orchard, could potentially… is allowed to, by law, kill a squirrel, birds.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah. They have to, otherwise, the orchard is destroyed.

Elizabeth Molina: Anything that comes to eat the… They are allowed to, and this is the kind of stuff that we don’t talk about, like the almond farms, the peach farms, the apple farms, all the vegetable farms, they are allowed to, and they do, kill every single thing that comes in there, from the beavers, from the moles, to the foxes, to the ducks, to the birds, to the squirrels, and they are allowed to. I’ve randomly…

Elizabeth Molina: I went to a friend’s house in Jersey, and the guy was just shooting squirrels, unfortunately, and we were like, what can we do about this? We called, and the local police office, whatever, said that he has an apple tree, and he has every right to defend the fruits from his property, and if that meant to do that, he was able to. I was just so shocked. I’m like, it’s not enough. It’s not a real farm, but technically, he’s protected, and they were protecting him, so I do want to bring that up. When you said that, it’s not like, yeah, shoot the deer, that’s not what you meant. You meant like that’s their right and that’s what they do.

Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah, they have to.

Elizabeth Molina: We just don’t talk about it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Otherwise, they’ll lose their vineyard.

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: The deer will eat everything. They’ll keep the grapes from ever showing up. They’ll bite off every leaf. Wild boars are typically shot from helicopters because they come near farms and tear up the ground. Yeah, just full-on weapons from a helicopter.

Elizabeth Molina: Just the other side-

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s a very selected narrative that the press likes to hang onto. It’s like, saving animals is good, and very simplified, like people seem to want all of their health and lifestyle advice boiled down to like a meme, like a half-sentence, and these issues are just not so simple. It’s not like vegetable good, meat bad.

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: You eat that way, you’ll die of malnutrition. You’ll get no vitamin B-12, which is essential for life, so you can do that. You’d be dead.

Elizabeth Molina: I have a story. I mean, I didn’t die, but I was sick for a long time, and I didn’t know what was wrong with me. Doctors didn’t know what was wrong with me. I was under every experimental medication you can probably think of. It was like celiac, Crohn’s, IBS, and there was like, could it be… My grandmother had pancreatic cancer, and she had survived it. She went to Peru. She healed herself. They gave her six to eight months to live, and I think it’s already maybe 15 years, and she’s still here, kicking and screaming.

Elizabeth Molina: They thought maybe this is what it looks like, the precursor because they… precursor cells. They didn’t know what was wrong with me, so they put me on these diets. First, it was vegan, because they were trying to rule things out, and then… This is by my doctor, right? Vegan, then I became… Sorry. Vegetarian first, then it went vegan. Then it became raw vegan, and because it was such a big shift in my body, I had a massive gallbladder attack, and my gallbladder was removed, not because it had stones, not because I was unhealthy, but because it was such a shock for my system.

Elizabeth Molina: Today, I do eat animal protein. I’m mindful of the protein that I eat. I don’t eat a lot of it, because it’s so hard to process the protein without a gallbladder. That’s just the reality of it, but I was told by the doctor afterward that a lot of times people go into these diets so quickly that their body does go into shock, and it can cause different organs to fail.

Elizabeth Molina: I’m not trying to… I hate it because I don’t like to make people fearful. I’m a big advocate for having root vegetables. I happen to love root vegetables.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s what happened to you. That’s just what you’re telling them.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, I’m just sharing my experience, so I just wanted to share that diet, and what your opinion was on that.

Dr. John Jaquish: As I said, a lot of meat. No, I don’t go to vegans and complain that they should stop being vegans. I created a product where they can get high-quality protein and continue to be vegan. The bacterial fermentation product, it’s… There’s no meat involved in the creation of that, so it’s vegan-friendly.

Elizabeth Molina: Amazing.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah, so I’d rather help them, but I’m going to be honest, scientifically, it’s just… There’s no case for it. It’s a bad idea, and it’ll ultimately lead to just a poor outcome. It takes people a lot of years before a lot of these symptoms catch up to them, like the teeth falling out because you have no B-12. I’ve seen vegans where they’ll bite into something, and a tooth will come out.

Elizabeth Molina: Oh, wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m talking like people in their 20s because they’ve been vegan for 10 years. The really bad symptoms start after seven years because initially a lot of people went and tried this, and they were on a caloric deficit, and they lost a bunch of body fat because you can’t eat enough vegetables to even cover what your body needs from basic perspectives, so you drop a bunch of weight, and people think thin is healthy.

Dr. John Jaquish: Lean is healthy. Thin is maybe a little bit healthier, depending on where you’re coming from, but it also might be dying. Let’s keep that in mind because there are a lot of dysfunctions that’ll cut weight. Cancer makes you lose weight. That doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.

Dr. John Jaquish: Another thing, vegan research is typically paid for by Nabisco, Kraft, and packaged food companies. all it Big Food, the Big Food industry, would prefer everybody to be a vegan because they know vegans aren’t eating kale most of the time. They’re eating cookies and cake because it’s vegan; it’s not a meat product. Elisabeth Molina: I mean, to be fair. There are different types of vegans, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Of course.

Elizabeth Molina: There are the junkie vegans who eat all the… I don’t want to bash any…

Dr. John Jaquish: Just junk food.

Elizabeth Molina: Just junk food that just says vegan. Then there are the ones that are more conscious about the kinds of food. Is it from a biodynamic farm? How is it raised? How is it grown? Is it coming from a… Is the soil biodiverse? All this stuff. I just want to put that out there. I’m not bashing, and neither is Dr. J. We’re not bashing anyone, just talking about these kinds of things, but Dr. J, I want to… it thought this was a great segue, talking about gains, right? Like muscle gains and talking about body fat. Can you explain how using your technology helps to gain more in your goal without impacting your body, and low impact, and how it doesn’t cause any joint issues?

Dr. John Jaquish: It lets you train heavier. That’s the easiest way to explain it. You train heavier than you would in a gym, but it’s also safer because when it comes to the point where the joint is exposed to potential injury, you get an offload moment where the weight goes way down when the joint is at risk, and the weight goes way up when the muscle is fully engaged. You go to a much deeper level of fatigue, by training with a heavier weight. Everybody who knows anything about strength training, the heavier you go, the more you grow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Straightforward. It uses very heavy latex for resistance, but there’s also an Olympic bar to protect your wrists. That’s right here. You can see, as I rotate the bar, that this always stays parallel with the ground. That’s to keep your wrists neutral and to keep any of the small bones in the wrist from being broken. We have an equivalent platform we stand on. That is to protect the small bones in the ankles.

Elizabeth Molina: Got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because people who just do band training, all they’re doing is injuring their wrists and ankles.

Elizabeth Molina: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Or they’re training so light, it’s doing nothing.

Elizabeth Molina: Wow. Okay, and what was the process of creating these products? How did you crack this code? Please share with us the backstory.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m not part of the fitness industry. I never was. The fact that I sell something that has talking points that are fitness… I see the fitness industry as just a complete fail, almost a joke, ignoring science for 50 years, just like everything, like the idea that cardio helps you lose weight. No, it doesn’t. It does the opposite. It protects your body fat and gets rid of muscle, so it gives you the opposite of what you think. I see people on treadmills, and they’re just wasting their time and getting worse.

Elizabeth Molina: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: I come from the medical device industry. I developed a medical device to reverse osteoporosis a little over 10 years ago, and that’s been outrageously successful. When I looked at the bone and how figured out how to treat bone and make it grow very rapidly, after I figured that out and produced that product, launched that product, did the clinical trials of that product, I realized I had gathered data on loading of the body that would completely negate the existing fitness industry or strength training industry.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now, if you look at what’s the difference between cardio equipment and strength equipment, cardio… What we call cardio is just really strength training that doesn’t work. It doesn’t make you any stronger. Your body doesn’t know the difference between a treadmill and a squat rack. You’re contracting your lower extremities, muscles of your lower extremities, but it knows the difference in how heavy you’re going because that’s what fatigues a muscle.

Dr. John Jaquish: All you’re really… Now, you’re fatiguing your cardiovascular system doing either. It just so happens that there are more than a hundred studies that show that fatiguing your cardiovascular system with weights will give you as much cardiovascular benefit or more than cardiovascular training.

Dr. John Jaquish: Cardiovascular training, as we call it as I said, there’s no such thing. You don’t get any stronger. You get weaker, because it up-regulates cortisol and cortisol cannibalizes muscle. You protect your body fat, so you stay fatter longer, and you don’t get as good of an effect or an equal effect to strength training, so why don’t you just do strength training?

Elizabeth Molina: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: That answer is so obvious. Now, if you’re training to be a marathon runner, you have no choice. You have to run marathons, but a marathon runner, their biochemistry, by secreting cortisol, is trying to get rid of muscle as fast as possible, so. There’s this mythical idea that you can be a “well-rounded athlete” and have cardiovascular endurance by doing endurance training and being very muscular. No, those are two conflicting goals. You’re not going to get a Formula One car to have 40 miles to the gallon. They’re conflicting goals, conserving fuel, and going fast, conflicting goals.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now, I have great cardiovascular endurance. I can do a lot of work in a short period, but because of my level of musculature… As I said, I’m six feet tall, about 7% body fat, and 240 pounds, so when I sprint up a flight of stairs, maybe two flights of stairs, I’m a little out of breath, but a skinny guy that weighs 100 pounds less than me, he doesn’t.

Dr. John Jaquish: He’s not out of breath when he sprints up the two flights of stairs, so the comment, the ignorant comment that many make is, “Oh, strength athletes have poor cardiovascular endurance.” No, they don’t, because my legs maybe five times the size of his legs, so when my quadriceps are asking my heart for blood, it’s a lot more blood that’s going to pump in there, so that’s a far more powerful engine. In essence, I’m driving a V12 and that guy’s driving like a four-cylinder, right?

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, no-

Dr. John Jaquish: It just is a weak engine, and a weak engine doesn’t draw a lot of fuel. Just because I’m more powerful, and I’m designed to do a lot of work in a short period of time… I try and do work for a long period, well, I don’t have the engine for that, which is why, again, a cardiovascular athlete has very little muscle mass because their biochemistry is forcing them to have very little muscle mass.

Dr. John Jaquish: This whole endurance thing, cardiovascular health, if your idea is to have a healthy heart, do strength training. If you want to run marathons, obviously you’ve got to do marathon-type training.

Elizabeth Molina: For you guys that are listening and driving, and just listening to us talk doing audio, we are also video recording this, so you can see Dr. J. He doesn’t work out, but he’s at seven… what, 7% body fat, and he looks like-

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, hold on. I work out with X3, my product.

Elizabeth Molina: Well, let me take that back.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I don’t lift weights.

Elizabeth Molina: He’s not from the fitness world. He’s not lifting weights. He’s not measuring his macros and doing all these kinds of things. He is literally following his formula, so I’d invite all of you guys to come and see this, because I need to go and start doing this kind of training. Hopefully, sooner I’ll have the arms that we spoke about before with you and your girlfriend.

Elizabeth Molina: No, this is very interesting stuff. I want to just take it back a little bit. I know that you first started in the space of how to repair or how to grow or, you’ll have to help me out with the lingo here, for osteoporosis because of your mother. Am I correct?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. It was all inspired by my mother. Yeah, she had osteoporosis. I wanted to figure out how to treat it. She was unwilling to take any of the medications because of their side effects, and I didn’t really blame her, but I said, “Well, if you don’t want to take any of the medications, I might be able to figure this out.”

Dr. John Jaquish: Now, I came from a very fresh perspective. This was even before I did my PhD, so I just did… My PhD experience is more like I just wanted to learn how to author papers academically, because that’s a skill. You don’t just… You read a research paper, and there’s a reason most people can’t read them, because it’s a lot of statistics, a lot of information condensed. I know nobody feels like they’re condensed, because a lot of times they’re 20 pages, but that could’ve been 2,000 pages, to put it in layman’s terms.

Elizabeth Molina: Oh wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, no.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s a lot of information condensed academically, and I wanted to be able to do that. Everyone has had the biochemical approach to a lot of these physical medicine dysfunctions. I’m like, well, deconditioning of a bone is osteoporosis. Well, if you can decondition it, you can recondition it, right?

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Everybody kind of looked at me like, “Ah, I supposed,” like that seems crazy, but there was research thereon… It was gymnastics. The gymnastics research got me. That was the key moment where I found the right research. I looked at the rate at which people were hitting the ground, and they hit the ground so hard, sometimes 10 times their body rate, with incredible muscle density, but bone density, as well. It was the bone I was looking at.

Dr. John Jaquish: I just thought, okay, like I’m not going to tell my mother to do gymnastics in her 70s, but I can build a high-impact emulation device. That’s what I did, and that’s what’s at the OsteoStrong locations.

Elizabeth Molina: Wow. Amazing. I wanted everyone to hear, because a lot of times, we think of like, why would somebody invent this? What is the goal here? Is he just trying to… Can you flex a muscle for us? I hate to make you do this, but there’s a lot of muscle there, hardly any body fat, and so you would think that he did this because he just wanted to look good and figure that… crack that code, but the story behind where this all started was the love for his mother and to help her. I’m assuming that she’s doing well today, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: She’s doing great, yeah.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah. Amazing, so this is what you call the love of a son, and it’s beautiful, because the company has grown. I want to talk a little bit about some rumors that I heard. I’ve seen Tom Brady doing the X3. You’re shrugging your shoulders, but I’ve seen it, so you can not talk about it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I could not talk about that, but I don’t pay Tom.

Elizabeth Molina: I know.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, right. I will say, I just finished filming a video series with Terrell Owens, who is another one of the greatest football players of all time, and also, a much stronger guy than Tom Brady. He’s an X3 user, and he uses it right, which I find very pleasant when I see the videos.

Dr. John Jaquish: When I see videos of people using it wrong, it’s like, damn it. This is just another person, who couldn’t take 15 minutes to watch the instructional videos, and they’re just making up their exercises, and they’re going super fast, which doesn’t do anything. Speed training is okay if you’re a pitcher in baseball, but what we’re teaching is not sport-specific. It’s generalized. It’s generalized for muscular size, muscular power, and muscular endurance.

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: You can have all three. You can profoundly have all three, and they’re synergistic. The sport-specific stuff, I leave that to the trainers in sports. For example, the book got an endorsement from the Miami Heat, and they let me use their brand in describing who’s endorsing this book, and they rarely do that.

Elizabeth Molina: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, they’re very protective of the brand like it’s… because they just believe in the technology. They stopped lifting weights, and they use X3. Now, what I told them was, to use X3 for strength, power, and muscular endurance, but you’ve still got to do all your other drills. Will there be any conflict between strength training and drills? Maybe a little. Maybe you’ll get a little less growth in certain areas if certain muscles are a little overworked or whatever, but you’ve got to do your drills because being a basketball player isn’t just about being strong. It’s about having balance. It’s about regaining balance quickly when somebody bumps into you. That’s part of the game.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, they still do all that, and so I’m working with Terrell Owens and 16 other NFL players. Terrell’s retired. He’s a Hall of Famer. Yeah, and these guys, they love X3. I especially care for the NFL. The NBA, too, but mostly for technical reasons.

Dr. John Jaquish: The NBA, because they’re so tall, a joint injury is much worse on a tall guy than it is on a shorter guy because there’s more leverage on the joint. They will feel more pain through that joint for the rest of their lives.

Elizabeth Molina: Oh, God.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’ve got to be very delicate with the joints on a tall person. When it comes to the NFL, I see… The day they sign their NFL contract, they’re told, “You can’t get injured. Otherwise, you could lose your contract.” It’s kind of a funny contrast. They can say, “We’re going to pay you $40 million over the next…” whatever, few years, but if you get injured, you only get paid prorated for whatever you played, and then the rest of that money’s gone.

Elizabeth Molina: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, so it’s a contract, sort of.

Elizabeth Molina: Sort of.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also, their drug tested all the time, so everybody knows when they see a fit NFL player, okay, that guy, he did it, and Dr. Jaquish is helping him, so I want to listen to that guy. I enjoy that because also, there are some bodybuilders that really enjoy using X3 also.

Elizabeth Molina: My question for you is, since I’m going to now be doing videos… I mean, I’m not an NFL player or anything like that. I’m a beauty person, so I’m going to be doing the X3 soon, and is it… Will I look like you? No offense, not that you… You’re a man, so that’s great, but I don’t want to look like a bodybuilder. Is that going to cause that? I want to be a Pilates, fit, lean, obviously body fat going down. It’s great, but I’m nervous that I’m going to look like a bodybuilding woman, which is great if you like that, but I just don’t happen to like that look for myself.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you’re not going to look like that. Yeah, I mean, you’ve seen Caroline. She looks incredibly feminine, yeah. Yeah, so now, she modifies th program a little bit. She doesn’t do direct arm work, because she doesn’t want to make her arms any bigger, but she does the postural movements, the lower extremity movements. She does calves. She really likes how her calves look in heels now. They kind of didn’t look very developed at all before, but they do now.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: I see, so a lot of people start strength training, and so then they start, they have… They’re hungrier, because your body wants nutrients. Instead of eating nutrients, they eat Twinkies, so yeah, I mean, did you get bigger? No, you got fatter, though.

Elizabeth Molina: That’s sorry.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, you’re not going to grow 10 pounds of muscle and look like a man. Usually, that only happens to women who are chemically enhanced, like they’re injecting drugs to get to that, to that look.

Elizabeth Molina: Oh, okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Again, I like the way you said it. If it’s for you, it’s for you. It’s just not for you.

Elizabeth Molina: You guys heard it here. You’re going to see me training. Part of the reason why I also wanted to do this was that Dr. J knows that I’ve had some neck herniations and a lot of pain. He said, “This could potentially help you,” so I am excited about this.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Elizabeth Molina: I want to talk about another rumor. Can you handle it?

Dr. John Jaquish: I can handle anything.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay, so I heard, a little birdie said to me that NASA published the paper, not a birdie, but it’s kind of public knowledge.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s public knowledge. It’s just it was published in a scientific journal. There are not that many people in the world that even know how to read that kind of thing. You know what? I will read you a quote from the paper.

Elizabeth Molina: Let’s do it.

Dr. John Jaquish: It was a really powerful statement they made, but they’re truly looking at what I’m doing and changing resistances for different ranges of motion as a way to manage the health of astronauts because, without a gravitational field, the body just starts coming apart.

Elizabeth Molina: Yep.

Dr. John Jaquish: There are two things that are… From a technical standpoint, and obviously, we put an unmanned vehicle on Mars already, so the challenge is to get a human to Mars. Well, little robots with wheels, do fine with radiation exposure and no exercise, but humans die, so what we need is… Now, to shield from the radiation, we know how to do that, but what we’re going to have to ultimately do is build a spacecraft in space, because that kind of shielding is heavy, and the most challenging thing for a launch vehicle is how much weight is in it.

Dr. John Jaquish: The conclusion of the paper says, “If the exercise apparatus could the the be condensed to the size of a shoebox to meet the weight and volume restrictions imposed by NASA, it could potentially serve as a countermeasure for bone and strength loss on exploration vehicles.” Now, exploration, they mean not the moon.

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: They mean Mars. Yeah, we can pull this off.

Elizabeth Molina: This is exciting.

Dr. John Jaquish: It was a great study, and they used bone formation blood markers, which are highly accurate, unlike the standard for testing bone density, which is a dual X-ray. X-ray is just a picture of bone, and then you use software so the picture can determine how dense or porous the bone is. Well, it’s a picture analysis, so is it accurate? Not really.

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: One of the developers of DEXA had a drink with me at a conference, and he said, “It’s like the worst measure in medicine, except it’s the best we’ve got for bone.” It’s considered excluded for analysis if the same technician didn’t run your before and after. Yeah, that says that there’s an art to lining up the bounding box on the bone, which is what they have to do.

Dr. John Jaquish: They have to look at your hip joint from an X-ray perspective and get the box just in the right place. Well, one technician does it like this, the other does it like this, so it’s different numbers.

Elizabeth Molina: If this device may or may not already be in production or whatever, so does this mean that we could potentially get like, maybe you could do travel sizes of this? I know, I’m maybe wishing too far.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, X3 is already traveled size.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay, well, even smaller? You’re like, how much smaller?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, okay, so there’s what NASA needs, and then there’s what the rest of us need.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay, fine. True.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, and also keep in mind, from a material science perspective, a lot of the forces that are occurring don’t need to be engineered in the same way for earth, because there’s no gravity.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay, got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: There might be some different calls for flexibility. There might be some portions of latex, portions of nylon, portions of Kevlar, portions of like liquid carbon fiber.

Elizabeth Molina: Are you ready for the last rumor?

Dr. John Jaquish: Apparently, there are a lot of rumors about me. I’m like the most hated guy in the fitness industry, so that makes sense. I enjoy it.

Dr. John Jaquish: When I first came out with the OsteoStrong devices, I was being criticized by medical doctors. Now, fortunately, once you show them the evidence because immediately they imagine you don’t have the evidence. Once you show them the evidence and the rationale, they’re like, “Okay, I’ll send my patients there.” They do a complete 180.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also, they’re never too excited about anything, because is it going to work for everybody? No, nothing works for everybody. They’re realistic, and they’re like, “Oh, I’ll send some of my patients that are relatively ambulatory and relatively pain free,” because those are two requirements for OsteoStrong. You can’t be unable to use your legs and get a benefit in the legs.

Elizabeth Molina: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because you’ve got to create the force.

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Otherwise, it’s not going to work for you. The problem I saw with the fitness industry, and I was given warnings by others… by my friends, who had been kind of crossing the line between medical devices and fitness. Fitness fans, in general, are not too bright. Yeah, I mean, they just said, “These are some of the stupidest people you’re going to find, and they cannot absorb science.”

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s like, I used to hear Jordan Peterson talk about the bottom 20th percentile of intelligent people is only qualified to push a mop. If they have a job where they have to drive a vehicle, they’ll kill people, because they’re that unintelligent.

Elizabeth Molina: Oh my gosh.

Dr. John Jaquish: I always thought, I don’t know where he’s getting that number. He’s referencing science, but I never looked up the study. I thought that seems like a lot of people, 20%. Then I found bodybuilding.com, and I found all 20% of the stupid people. They were there.

Elizabeth Molina: oh my God.

Dr. John Jaquish: It was amazing.

Elizabeth Molina: Dr. J, let’s go to the rumor.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay, yeah. I’m just enjoying my haters because the more I get attacked, the business just goes through the roof.

Elizabeth Molina: No, that’s-

Dr. John Jaquish: Because smart people see the stupid comments, and they’re like, “I’ve got to see this guy,” and they expect me to just be wrong about everything. Then they look up the studies, and they’re like, “No, this guy’s right about everything. I love him.” Anyway, go ahead.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, well, you’re also a doctor, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

Elizabeth Molina: So that makes you more credible, and then you have your research behind you, but here’s the rumor. Here’s the rumor, and I don’t think it’s a bad rumor. I heard that you may be running for governor of California. Did you almost spit out your coffee?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Elizabeth Molina: Is that a yes to the coffee or yes to the governor or both?

Dr. John Jaquish: I was in Chicago for a few unfortunate years, but yeah, I’m a California guy. I love my state. It has great weather. It has some great people. It has a lot of great people. What I love about it are its great habits. We’re a healthier state. We like the outdoors. People get outside and do stuff.

Dr. John Jaquish: I think it’s really sad when a state is a financial upside down and it’s also the eighth largest economy in the world. There’s only one explanation, just grotesque waste. I won’t even call it corruption. It’s like, we spent $4 billion on a train and never laid a mile of track.

Elizabeth Molina: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s just gone. Most of it was on environmental studies, studying crickets and moths and stuff like that. Now, I certainly care about the crickets and moths, but that’s overboard, and it was a waste of taxpayers’ money. This is why we have a punishing capital gains tax. We have all kinds of strange things and, of course, the governor shut the whole state down for exorbitant periods with no scientific evidence to back up his decision-making at all.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m not doing it because I’m egotistical about it. I think a lot of guys who get into politics, think they’re great, so clearly, everybody else should think that. That’s not my story. I think I would do a great job. I think I understand the problem crystal clear, and I can fix it.

Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t think the others who are planning on running… I’ve looked at who’s planning on running, and I don’t think they have a clear vision of what the state needs. I’m going to run until I win or I think there’s a better candidate. I mean, there are some downsides to me. I might be a little opinionated. I might be seen as toxic masculinity. I’ve been accused of that before.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m an aggressive guy. I played rugby. I did a lot of things that guys do that are sort of looked at like, “That joke wasn’t funny.” Yeah? I think jokes are funny. Sorry. Am I perfect for California? I don’t know, but I also don’t think we should be picking people based on their general presentation, how they look, or their skin color. Let’s get somebody qualified. We need it, but what I’m terrified about is we’ll still have these punishing taxes, companies will still leave, and it’ll still be just as screwed up as it is now, because of Gavin Newsom… He’s the guy, for all the listeners in New York and other states, he’s the guy who’s the governor now, and he’s a friend of mine. I used to work for him. I like the guy, but he has just done way too many things without justification when it comes to the virus.

Dr. John Jaquish: Then, on top of that, just nonsensical monetary policy of the state, just waste, brutal waste. It just needs to end. It’s again, I mentioned earlier in the podcast, that a lot of people want their politics and their nutrition all condensed down into a meme. It’s not that simple, but it’s also not that complicated. We need to look at where the money’s going and just fix a couple of problems. Am I going to fix everything in California in four or eight years? Impossible. So many things are screwed up, but if we can fix a couple of big things, we can fix the budget.

Elizabeth Molina: Awesome. Well, I’m excited to have interviewed the potential new governor of California, and I think if you think about it from your mission to help the bone from the inside, which is what holds you up as a human. It is your skeletal… It’s your structure. It’s your foundation. We think of a house. You need that strong foundation. I think it’s kind of ironic that you invented this machine or this… whatever you want to call it, contraption or what do you call it, tool?

Dr. John Jaquish: Medical device.

Elizabeth Molina: Medical devices, help you do that, right? It helps you become strong from the inside out, and then that’s kind of what you do. You’ve been doing this for a while, and now you’re trying to do this as a governor. I think that is beautiful, like a full circle, like you’re like, “Okay, I see the problem. I want to fix, as much as I can, the infrastructure. I want to make the foundation strong for my state.” That just shows the full-circle moment, when you do become governor, that this is a lifelong mission of yours to see something that people weren’t able to see, because you have a fresh perspective, a fresh pair of eyes, and you’re like, “Oh, that’s how I fix it. Let me make that strong, and then everything else will come together.”

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

Elizabeth Molina: I just wanted to kind of tie that in there. This is going to be great, excited to see how this turns around, and you have confirmed that you are going to be running for governor of California, so congratulations on that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks.

Elizabeth Molina: Because this is a beauty podcast, and we did talk about the beautiful weather in your beautiful state, what does beauty mean to you, from your perspective?

Dr. John Jaquish: Attraction. What attracts people to other people? Turns out it is visible cues that indicate long life. That’s what makes people attracted to one another.

Dr. John Jaquish: Why do women like strong men? Because they look like they’re going to live a long time, be healthy for a long time, maybe be able to take care of things, whatever that means, depending on where you are, whether it’s chop the wood to make sure everybody’s warm for the wintertime, or go out and earn a living, or protect the family from whatever threats may come upon them.

Dr. John Jaquish: Physical strength is seen… It is highly associated with longevity, so that’s… and low body fat. We visually can tell what somebody looks like and how healthy they are. I see health and physical performance as different names for the same thing.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now, the reason I like the fitness talking points of what I would call… like X3, that’s the strength product. I don’t see it as a fitness device. It’s more medical. It’s more scientific. It’s sort of like an alternate to fitness, but when people get involved in fitness talking points, they’re typically talking about their vanity, how good they look, like, “I want to look like this,” like when it’s a guy, and he’ll show a picture of a strong male. A lot of women… I like the trend where women are trying to build a lot of lower body strength because they like the shape of their legs, the shape of their butts. That’s wonderful, because they’re building muscle mass that’s going to put a greater demand on all the organs of the body, focusing and forcing the other organs of the body to perform at a higher level, which is going to keep them alive longer, and a lot of that muscle mass, they’re going to keep later in life.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, but also that trend for the lower body, as well, as we know, and I’m sure you know, as a doctor, probably studied this, that it has shown that women who have more of a muscle mass in the thigh and buttocks area, the lower body part, they’ve produced healthier babies.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

Elizabeth Molina: They store more vitamins and minerals and nutrients, so that it’s so… I just wanted to add that, because that’s-

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

Elizabeth Molina: When you talk about attraction, and people don’t know why that’s attractive, because subconsciously, I guess, through many, many, like caveman times, that’s what signaled to men, like that’s… What do they call it? Childbearing hips.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, you can’t change the width of your hips.

Elizabeth Molina: Right, but like-

Dr. John Jaquish: The width of your hips is the same, no matter what.

Elizabeth Molina: Well, yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: But the curvier a girl is, and when I say curvy, I don’t mean fat, because very often women are like, “Oh, I’m curvy,” and I’m like, “Hmm, no, you’re obese,” but I, of course, don’t say that.

Elizabeth Molina: Dr. John.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I mean, it’s like being real. Don’t convince yourself you’re healthy when you’re not. That’s a smokescreen you put in front of yourself. Lying to yourself doesn’t help. You’re just masking a brutal problem. I mean, do I feel sorry for people who are addicted to food? Yeah, I have compassion for them. I mean, the food has been engineered so that it’s addictive. It’s not by accident.

Elizabeth Molina: No, but I want to go back to… Dr. J, I know we’re talking to Dr. J, not Governor J yet. I want to know about the beauty part. You left us hanging here. You were talking about you like that women are now focusing more on their lower extremities, which engage more muscles. It engages more organs, and it just does so much for the body overall, so finish telling us what beauty is to you.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s health. What’s beautiful to me is a healthy hemoglobin A1c score, by the way, one of the metrics that still counts, because a lot of the metrics don’t count anymore. High cholesterol doesn’t matter. The higher your cholesterol is, the longer you’re going to live.

Elizabeth Molina: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: People were wrong about that for 20 years. People still say that. It’s the cholesterol medications that harm them more. The fact that… Do you know why cholesterol was such a myth for so long?

Elizabeth Molina: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay, so think of an artery. Let’s say it’s right here. Blood flows through it. What happens is inflammation from eating vegetables or sugar. Oxalates and different inflammatory type situations that happen to the body cause arterial inflammation, so at certain points in the artery, there’s inflammation.

Dr. John Jaquish: Then, as low-density lipoprotein flows through the artery, it sticks at these inflammation points. It may collect and then break through and cause an aneurysm or heart attack, so it was seen as these things that are sticking there cause the blockage, which are low-density lipoprotein, LDL, but that wasn’t the cause. The cause was inflammation.

Dr. John Jaquish: If you have a low sugar diet, having higher cholesterol is fine. You live longer, and there’s research to prove that, but it’s when you have high sugar and high-fat diet, which most people who don’t control their nutrition, that’s what they do, now you’re looking at cardiovascular risk, but just cut the sugar out and you’re fine.

Elizabeth Molina: This is good to know, guys. I hope that everyone is taking notes, because Dr. J is dropping some bombs from all different perspectives about health, and I can’t wait to get my X3, because I’m going to work on getting my body fat a little lower.

Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome.

Elizabeth Molina: I’m excited about that. Dr. J, you know about the beauty circle, and you know what I’m going to ask you next is where do you find yourself excelling? I feel like I know the answer to this, but I’m going to let you answer. Where do you find yourself excelling in the beauty circle, and where do you find yourself needing a little bit more TLC?

Dr. John Jaquish: The consistency. I think also just focusing on science. I don’t know where that fits in, but not just doing the right things, but understanding why you’re doing the right things. People need to take a little more responsibility, like when it comes to beauty products, do you know what’s in them? Are you sure? Because some of them have some dangerous chemicals in them. Some of them don’t. Some of them are health-promoting. Some of them are beauty promoting, but health diminishing.

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’ve got to know what you’re putting on your skin. Also, what you put on your skin sometimes transfers into your bloodstream.

Elizabeth Molina: I think a lot of times, right? Because our skin is the largest organ in our body.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, a lot. I’m being generous.

Elizabeth Molina: You’re being very generous because I know that there are even, and you, as a doctor, could probably answer this better, because I’m not a doctor. I’m just a crazy researcher who likes to ask many questions. I’m the why girl. I think my podcast should’ve been Why? That’s all I ask is why, why? Even as a child, I was so annoying to my teachers, like, “What is photosynthesis? Why do we need it?” And why and why? I was that annoying kid.

Elizabeth Molina: Aren’t there some minerals or some medications that absorb better transdermally. We know that there is such a thing as your body absorbing, and when people deny this, I always say, “So why do we have a birth control patch?” Not that I’m promoting that. “Why do we have a nicotine patch?”

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

Elizabeth Molina: “Why is it that magnesium, they have magnesium patches?” Because it’s absorbed best transdermally. There are so many other things.

Dr. John Jaquish: Perfect example.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, so to say that the skin doesn’t absorb, I just… I’m going to call it out as a lie.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s a lie. Now, some things will transfer easier than others.

Elizabeth Molina: Right. Where would you say that you could use a little bit more help in the circle? That could be, it could be water intake. It could be sleep. It could be spirituality. It could be relationships to yourself with and others. It could be bowel movements. Where do you think… or skin and makeup.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’re talking about me.

Elizabeth Molina: Yes, for you. Where do you think that you need extra TLC? Don’t say the makeup. We’re not going to count that category in.

Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t know. I’m on film a lot, so they do put makeup on me to keep me from being shiny.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: But it’s pretty easy. They don’t need to blend it into my hairline. From my perspective, to answer your question…

Elizabeth Molina: Yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: There are a lot of things people want me to present. Recently, I’ve been talking about dry fasting, meaning no food, no water. Of course, hydration… We hear about hydration all the time, but we don’t have any baseline for hydration. The whole like you need two liters of water a day, somebody just made that up. There’s no scientific basis in that at all.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’ve been spending some time reading about like what’s don’t for Ramadan because Ramadan fasting is fascinating. I want to get that information to the world. I don’t quite have… I’m on so many podcasts, and there’s a lot of media stuff, and then the filming days, like with Terrell Owens, or… We’ve got another filming day on Friday, where it’ll be the whole day. There’ll be cameras and lighting and stuff like that, for more of just like a training kind of video stuff. I’d like to be able just to free up some more time, so I could get more research done because, honestly, I’m only good at one thing, most people are good at one thing.

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Then everything else, they’re just kind of limping along, but I can read research and remember it forever.

Elizabeth Molina: That’s amazing.

Dr. John Jaquish: When I read research, I don’t have to take notes. It’s here.

Elizabeth Molina: Wow. Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: I can read a study and draw a parallel to a study I read 10 years ago, and I will remember the author of the study I read 10 years ago and find it in 10 seconds.

Elizabeth Molina: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Then I’ll be able to read the two side by side and draw a parallel and then write about it. One study might be in one totally different field. One may be endocrinology. Another one might be dermatology, and I can go, okay, these two things make sense, but because X is apparent and so is Y, now I have a conclusion I can come to or suggest.

Elizabeth Molina: Right, okay. That’s fair.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s the one thing. That’s also why I’ve never had anybody real… I’ve had a couple of people, who don’t understand research, make some silly Facebook videos about what a jerk I am, because I’m wrong about this and this and this, and then they provide no evidence. Even the commenters are like, “Okay, you have no science, and the guy, in his book, used more than 250 references from scientific studies, so are you sure you’re not the one that’s just full of it here?”

Elizabeth Molina: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: No real scientist has ever had a problem with anything I’ve said.

Elizabeth Molina: So the category that you would probably want is the relationship with yourself, to have more time so that you can read more research papers and really start getting some intel on this dry fasting, and just the whole phenomenon of fasting.

Dr. John Jaquish: A lot of other stuff, too.

Elizabeth Molina: I’m interested in hearing your findings.

Dr. John Jaquish: There are so many things I want to

Elizabeth Molina: Keep me in the loop, please.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Elizabeth Molina: Because I’m always interested in this. I think that the body’s metabolic flexibility is something that we haven’t explored as much as we could have if that makes sense.

Dr. John Jaquish: That was very well put. What we’ve traditionally been doing is looking at normative data. Now, let me define that for everybody. Normative data is what the average is, so like vitamin consumption or liquid consumption.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, considering half of our nation is overweight or obese or morbidly obese, do we care what the averages are? We’re comparing ourselves to people who are the fattest and sickest that humans have ever been. Also, here’s another vegan thing.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right now, the western diet, the standard American diet, is 70% plant-based, so if we go to 80%, are we going to be better? Because, as I said, we’re the fattest and sickest ever, at 70%. By increasing that number are we going to get better? Because that seems wrong, and of course, it is.

Elizabeth Molina: No, I mean, we can get… This is like a whole other podcast, but when you do find the research, I’m sure that you’re probably going to have some product out there to help us with that because I do feel like it’s going to be trending soon, not trending, but like more studies are going to come out, because there are so many fasting protocols. People are talking about fasting and going into ketosis, and the formula for energy, and all these things.

Elizabeth Molina: We haven’t looked at that. If you think about the caveman days, and I always refer to that, because I think that’s like a baseline for Hercules, right? You think about how people went for days without food, right? Also, that-

Dr. John Jaquish: Or water.

Elizabeth Molina: Or water.

Dr. John Jaquish: They didn’t have a hydroflask that they carried around for the perfect hydration.

Elizabeth Molina: Right, but then also you think about the… from a nutritional perspective, right? I just had this conversation with someone on a live, and we talk about like maybe they could’ve had one carrot, but that one carrot… There’s actually a study. I don’t know if you know about that study, but it actually said you need 220 carrots to equal the nutritional value of one carrot from a long time ago that was more nutrient based, not like cropped, like a monocrop.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you’re talking about engineering of the vegetables.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Elizabeth Molina: So like a lot of our-

Dr. John Jaquish: Vegetables were massively messed with by geneticists.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, so like also considering that from our sad diet, which is the standard American diet, that even if you are getting those vegetables, how many nutrients are really in that vegetable. You know, that whole thing about diabetes and people that are obese, we are eating, consuming, a lot of food that is empty, empty nutrition, just empty carbs, empty nothing, which is why you’re still hungry, and most of the people are just craving more. It’s like, “I don’t know why I ate more. I ate so much, but I’m still…” because your body’s saying, “I need more nutrients. I need more minerals. I need more hydration,” because even the water is not the same as you could find it in a… You know this, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah.

Elizabeth Molina: Like a spring water is different, like you would get in nature, is different than a Poland Spring bottle of water. The structure of that is completely different, the way that your body absorbs it. We can go off…

Dr. John Jaquish: Sure.

Elizabeth Molina: This is like, as you can tell, I’m passionate about this, and I feel like you do see that big plate of food, but I see sometimes a big plate of food of emptiness. When you eat value… Right? I would love to hear your perspective before… We’ve been on this podcast for a while, so I’m going to be respectful of your time, but when you eat these kind of high nutrient based foods, you’re not really so hungry, and you’re not craving things, right? Isn’t that remarkable?

Dr. John Jaquish: I eat one meal a day.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m never hungry. Now, when it’s time to eat, and I can smell the food I’m about to eat… steak-

Elizabeth Molina: So you don’t get hangry.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, no. I’m calm all the time.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay, cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, and one meal every, whatever, 23 hours.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay, cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Elizabeth Molina: Dr. J, our podcast is coming to an end. Something that I ask all of my guests is to share one tip that, or one piece of advice, they would’ve shared with the younger version of themselves.

Dr. John Jaquish: A lot of people think that X3… I’m most known for X3, even though probably the more important thing is the bone density. I mean, osteoporosis is a disease that kills as many people as breast cancer. I came up with the most effective treatment for it, so scientifically, that was a bigger achievement than making muscles grow. Now, I think, over time, X3 will be recognized as something that keeps people alive longer, because they have higher levels of muscle mass and lower levels of body fat, so both may be saving lives, but there’s a more direct connection with OsteoStrong.

Dr. John Jaquish: The piece of advice I would tell myself, because I’ve been working on this for a long time, and the two products go hand in hand, is self-education. You don’t just learn in school. You learn the whole time you’re doing something from a professional perspective, especially me inventing things, creating things that nobody ever saw before, nobody ever heard of. It is advice that I was given, but I didn’t believe it at the time. Just be relentless. Just don’t stop. If you know you’re right, and I did, even if it takes your whole lifetime, you’ll never have regret.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s the worst thing is the person who had the idea, and then they end up hating themselves because they never knew if their idea was worth it or not if it would’ve worked. When it came to the osteoporosis device, of course, the first thousand people I told about it were like, “That’s stupid. That’s never going to work.” I just realized that I probably just didn’t have my talking points right, or maybe it was too detailed or something like that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Even now, I had a great conversation with the marketing team yesterday, and they were telling me I’m going… I still am going too much into detail when describing the product. “It allows you to train heavier than you’ve ever trained. Just say that. That’s what it does.”

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m like, “Well, that’s certainly an easier thing to say than explainvariable resistance and how your strength is different from here and here and here and here.” Yeah, I can go through all that stuff, but everyone, even people who don’t understand my product or my research, or can’t read a research study, which is most people, because they’re complicated, they understand, if you train heavier, you get a much bigger response out of the body. If you can train heavier than you can with weights, well, let’s do that then, because that sounds better, and it is. Not giving up. Looking for a better path, always. Always refining, and even refining things that have been documented in our… in your marketing material on your website.

Dr. John Jaquish: You never abandon a piece of text. You never just go, “That’s good enough. I’m going to leave that alone.” Okay, you can leave it alone for now, but you always have to go back and revisit and say, “Is this the best way to say this?”

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Can I say it better? Can I say it so it’s more easily understood? Can I say it so women don’t worry that they’re going to look like men if they use the product?" As I said, it’s not a goofy question. I get that question, or customer service gets that question probably a hundred times a day. The women that, especially on Instagram… For some reason, I get a lot of female followers on Instagram, and they’re asking questions like, “I like your approach to fitness because it doesn’t look dangerous,” because they don’t want to get hurt, because they know they have girlfriends that have gone and lifted heavy in a CrossFit class or whatever and ended up having a bar land in their teeth and knocking their teeth out or tearing a tricep or something like that, and hamstring, that’s another common injury.

Dr. John Jaquish: They’re like, “I think what you’re doing is a very low risk of injury,” and they’re right. It is. “But will it work for me?” I’m thinking, “Why would you even ask that question? Isn’t it obvious?” It’s not obvious, because they’re worried they’re going to look like me with a wig, which would be very unattractive.

Elizabeth Molina: That was my concern, to be honest.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I know. I put on a wig once for Halloween. I looked terrible.

Elizabeth Molina: Can we get a picture of that, so we can…

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah, I’ll send you a picture.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: I was He-Man. Remember He-Man? Where he’d hold up a sword, and he became like a different person, who looked the same, and even his friends couldn’t recognize him. It made no sense.

Dr. John Jaquish: The easiest way to get lean is strength training. The easiest way to get strength training done with low risk and high effectiveness is X3. I urge anybody to read the book.

Dr. John Jaquish: Another general piece oand f advice is don’t just follow, understand. I always… Every Instagram post that I make, there’s a little bit of research in it. It’s like, here’s this observation. It was made in this study. Keep this in mind when you exercise, or something like that. It’s so… Like twice a week. I usually post twice a week, and the stories are usually the results of some of the users, but every week, there’s something where I might say, “Cardio is not the best choice if you want to lose body fat,” and I get a lot of incoming questions, like, “What is?”

Dr. John Jaquish: Then that conversation starts, and I tell them, “Just follow the account, and you’ll get all the information. Go ahead and read the book.” People are way too complacent and just doing what they’re told instead of trying to understand.

Elizabeth Molina: Or ask questions.

Dr. John Jaquish: We can put that to politics, too. We have people in Washington that are like, “Just do what we say,” and it’s like, “Well, wait a minute. Why? I want to understand why you’re making those decisions, and oh, it turns out, all the data that you’re citing, that you decided off of was faked, so no, we’re not going to do what we’re told.”

Dr. John Jaquish: I like that about this country, in general. I think we’re better than a lot of other countries at not doing what we’re told and asking why. If somebody has a good enough reason as to why, it’s like, all right, well, I have no problem doing that, but why do people not want to wear masks? Because the COVID particle is smaller than water vapor. Can water vapor go through your mask? Stand in front of a mirror and breathe when you’re wearing a mask. Do you see steam in the mirror? If yes, the mask does nothing.

Elizabeth Molina: Right. I love that advice that you were giving to your younger self, to people who are listening to the podcast, is never give up. Always ask questions. Do not be embarrassed by those questions. Then understand. Understand why you’re doing something. I feel like you’re singing kind of like my anthem.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, thank you.

Elizabeth Molina: That’s me. Never give up.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m not a great singer, but great.

Elizabeth Molina: Yeah, that’s my anthem. Never give up. Always ask questions, and always know why, why you’re doing this. That’s me, literallnk we’re so aligned. I can’t wait to get my X3 and become strong and just have strong bones in general and just have my body fat go down and become more lean. I’m excited about that.

Elizabeth Molina: Dr. J, where can we find you? Where can we get a copy of your book, that we didn’t talk about enough, but I feel like we can do a Live and do that, talk about the book, when I get my autographed copy. I put that in a request.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m going to give you an autographed hard copy. The hard copy just came out.

Elizabeth Molina: Cool, cool. You see it?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. It’s really nice.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay, so I’m going to get the hard copy. Where can we find you?

Dr. John Jaquish: My Instagram is just drjaquish, D-R-J-A-Q-U-I-S-H, but that’s a lot to remember. There’s a link to that on my landing page, which is just doctorj.com..

Elizabeth Molina: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: D-O-C-T-O-R, the letter J, dot com.

Elizabeth Molina: That’s perfect, and we can get the book on there, as well? Or where do we find the book?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, there’s links to everything. There’s links to OsteoStrong, if bone density is your question, to X3bar.com . It’s like superior strength, superior bone, superior nutrition. Those are the three product categories that I’ve developed products. The Fortagen, the superior nutrition, I didn’t really develop that. I kind of reappropriated it from, like I said, the cancer… That’s sort of the anti-wasting type protein. It’s a little different, because it’s designed to be more anabolic, but that will regenerate human tissue and protein synthesis better than anything, any food you could eat.

Elizabeth Molina: Oh my God.

Dr. John Jaquish: Like it’s better than… It’s even better than steak.

Elizabeth Molina: Okay, I need to get that.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m really proud of that.

Elizabeth Molina: I need it, and now I’m going to be broke. I’m going to get all these things, and we’re going to do a Live about this, and talk about it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay.

Elizabeth Molina: Because you’ve… Sold! Sold to the highest bidder.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s all right. Nothing’s expensive. Keep in mind, I think, a two-dollar dose of Fortagen is as good as eating an eight-ounce steak. If somebody offers you an eight ounce steak for two dollars, don’t eat it.

Elizabeth Molina: No, don’t eat it. Yeah, so thank you so much for that. We are ending the podcast.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks for having me.

Elizabeth Molina: Thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing with us all of the amazing conversations that we had, and goodbye.

Elizabeth Molina: What an amazing podcast. We heard Dr. J talk about how he is running for governor of California. We heard about NASA, how they might be using his product to help get people on Mars, and we heard about fitness, and we heard about food. We had just an amazing conversation. If you like what you heard, please give this episode a five-star review if you felt like it was valuable. Also, don’t forget to check out Dr. J’s Instagram. I will put all the show notes at the bottom, as well as write a review. It goes a long way.

Elizabeth Molina: If you felt like this information was impactful, it was funny, it was great, you learned something, please feel free to share this with at least five people who you know would get some value out of this. Until next time, see you guys next week. Bye, guys.