Ep. 14 - Strength & Beauty with Dr. John Jaquish

Dr. John Jaquish is a Wall Street Journal best-selling author, inventor, and professor. He developed OsteoStrong, the most effective bone density building medical device. His devices were put into production and have since been placed in over 300 clinics worldwide. His latest invention, X3, has changed the way people work out.

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Elizabeth: Hello my beautiful people. You know it is hump day because I am here talking to you, and you know that I release these episodes on Wednesday. So excited to be here, and we have another amazing guest because you know I bring you nothing but quality, and his name is Dr. John Jaquish, Ph.D. He is a Wall Street Journal best-selling author and an inventor of the most effective bone density building medical device, which has reversed osteoporosis for thousands and created more powerful and fracture-resistant athletes. His devices were put into production and have since been placed in over 300 clinics worldwide. Osteogenic loading has now helped over 20,000 individuals with their bone health.

Elizabeth: Dr. Jaquish also quantified the variance between the power capacities from weak to strong wages in weightlifting, which brought him to his second innovation, X3 . The research indicates that this product built muscle much faster than conventional lifting and does so in less training time, all with the lowest risk of joint injury.

Dr. Jaquish is a research professor at Rushmore University, speaks at scientific conferences all over the world, has been featured on many of the top health podcasts, is an editor of multiple medical journals, and is a nominee for the National Medal of Science.

I am so excited to have him on here because we’re going to have some controversial topics that we’re going to be discussing, including why not weightlifting and the whole fitness trend and so many more things.

Elizabeth: Welcome Dr. Jaquish, aka Dr. J. How are you today?

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m super. Thanks for having me, Elizabeth.

Elizabeth: I mean, thank you for being here. I mean, I’m going to put you on the spot on the podcast. I don’t normally do this, but I think I’m inspired by you as being my guest to have a little section called rumor has it. So, be prepared.

Dr. John Jaquish: There are all kinds of crazy rumors going around about me, most of them are just ludicrous. I enjoy even the ludicrous ones, they’re very comical.

Elizabeth: Okay. So, we’re going to sneak them in there if you let me. So, thank you. So, I want to start talking about, first of all, let’s talk about your product, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay.

Elizabeth: Let’s talk about what made you disrupt the fitness world, and do you feel like your research and technology threatened your competitors who use your traditional way of getting lean and building muscle?

Dr. John Jaquish: The people who you know who go to the gym three or four times a week and have been doing so for years, do they look any different, right? I see a swath of them.

Elizabeth: Silence.

Dr. John Jaquish: They don’t.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. There’s data on the top leanest one percentile of males in the nation, it’s 10.9% body fat, basically 11% body fat. That’s the best 1%. Now, the percentage of body fat is a wonderful number because it considers muscularity also because the more muscular you become the lower your percentage of body fat will be. So, you have a relatively pathetic number as the top percentile. That there’s not a lot of fit people out there, and there’s a reason why it’s so coveted. People want to be fit so badly because hardly anyone is. Why are we trusting an industry that might have a 99.9% failure rate?

Elizabeth: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Who is fit looking? Who has completely visible abdominals and muscularity at the same time? Is it one in 10,000 people? Maybe one in 50,000. It’s just uncommon. So, when that is how we define fitness, that’s how we define an admirable physique. If you look at the statue from 800 years ago of Hercules, I’m thinking of a particular one, there are a lot of statues of Hercules, particular ones, kind of famous. He’s leaning on like a tree branch and he’s hung a lion’s skin over the tree branch. 800 years ago the guy looked incredible. They didn’t even have performance-enhancing drugs back then, but it’s just so rare, is my point. Somebody had to sit for that statue to be created. There was a guy that looked like that 800 years ago, but my point is it’s just so rare, and there are a couple of genetic reasons which can be bypassed, and I discuss that in my book, Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time: So Is Cardio, and There’s a Better Way to Have the Body You Want

Elizabeth: Oh, I need that. I need to get that book, and we’re going to get into that book.

Dr. John Jaquish: I thought you had it.

Elizabeth: No, I don’t. No, I want to get a signed copy. I’m waiting for the signed copy.

Dr. John Jaquish: I can send you a signed copy.

Elizabeth: And then rumor has it, but I’ll bring that up, but I’m excited to get my signed copy. I want to go back a little bit to this technology that you spoke about. You talk about Hercules, right? Let’s pretend, right? Back in the days, we all know Hercules is known for being super buff and strong, and li,e you said, no performance-enhancing drugs, or medications, or supplements, whatever you want to call them.

Dr. John Jaquish: Again, somebody sat for that statue, for those of you listening to me talk and don’t understand what that means. Somebody had to sit there and sit still while the sculptor created the sculpture.

Elizabeth: Yep, they had to pose.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, there was a guy who looked like that. They don’t just invent muscles out of their mind.

Elizabeth: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because they don’t know the anatomy. Very few anatomy classes 800 years ago, but people could sit for a statue. So, there had to be a guy like that.

Elizabeth: Yeah. So, I want to kind of touch on nutrition a little bit, talking about that, and your book, right? What are your thoughts on nutrition? Because you said 99.9% of the population is not succeeding in that. So, when you were asking me a question about you said who do you know that’s fit and who’s going to the gym all the time, and I’m thinking yeah, they’re going to the gym all the time, but they’re also meticulously counting their calories, their macros, their protein.

Dr. John Jaquish: And they still don’t look any different, do they?

Elizabeth: Not by that much. So, let’s talk about that. I want to hear your thoughts on these fad diets, these new diets that we know that Hercules was not doing.

Dr. John Jaquish: Primarily what I eat is red meat. Now, I also, it’s all about the quality of protein when it comes to building muscle. Now, the two greatest drivers of long life are high levels of muscularity and low levels of body fat. So, those are the two things I’m kind of best at. I’m low-level body fat and a high level of muscularity. Now, how does that happen the easiest? Well, you have to have a lot of dietary protein, and it has to be of quality.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, vegetable protein is only 9%, it’s like nine to 4% usable by the body. So, you can have whatever, 100 grams, but it only counts like nine grams. So, that would be like a pound and a half of broccoli will give you nine grams of use. But you need one gram per pound of body weight, and not a lot of people weigh nine pounds, especially adults.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, you can’t have vegetable sources and get anywhere. You’re losing muscle the whole time you’re vegan or vegetarian. That’s why there’s weight loss also. Yeah, they’re losing body fat because they’re in a caloric deficit but they’re also losing muscle very rapidly, and that contributes to a lot of chronic conditions and early death. Does it do some good things for you going vegan or vegetarian? Yeah, it does. It cuts a lot of processed food out and that’s good, but you can cut processed food out and still have animal protein in your diet. Yeah, that’s primarily where I am.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now, I did create a product that wasn’t specifically for vegans, it was for everybody, but a lot of people when they found out one gram per pound of body weight. I weigh 240 pounds, so 240 grams of protein is like two and a half pounds of steak, and I eat one meal a day because I want a fasted benefit also. So, when you sit down for one meal and try and eat two and a half pounds of steak, that last like half a pound, you don’t love it.

Elizabeth: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s like work.

Elizabeth: Is it?

Dr. John Jaquish: And you don’t feel good afterward. So, your girlfriend wants to cuddle with you and you’re like, “No.”

Elizabeth: Not going to happen.

Dr. John Jaquish: Just let me digest. Let me just lay here. So, that just wasn’t great. So, I worked with a group that had engineered a cancer treatment that was a very usable essential amino acid product. Most essential amino acid products are about as usable by the body as sand, unfortunately. Yeah, there might be the amino acids in there but they weren’t created correctly, they weren’t created with fermentation. So, what this is is it gives us the benefits of that rotting material, that fermentation without the taste, and it’s clean, and there’s nothing that’ll give you an infection or anything. Yeah, so it’s called Fortagen.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, I take about 200 grams of protein and protein value.

Elizabeth: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: And then I only have to eat like a half-pound steak and I’m good.

Elizabeth: And now you can cuddle with your girlfriend.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s right.

Elizabeth: Good. So, everyone wins here.

Dr. John Jaquish: Everyone wins.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m glad you met my girlfriend.

Elizabeth: I did. She’s so sweet.

Dr. John Jaquish: So that’s not a strange conversation.

Elizabeth: ThinkNo, no, no. So yeah, for those of you guys who don’t know, I do know his girlfriend. She’s so sweet. I did meet her. We’re trying to get her on here, but she’s doing other activities right now, working, but she is the sweetest person I’ve met so far. I love her, she’s amazing. Hi. Just waving to her so when she sees this, we’re thinking about her.

Elizabeth: So, let’s take it down a notch. So, when people talk about becoming vegan, or vegetarian, or raw, right? They not only do it because of the benefits of may be losing weight or taking out those processed foods but also the impact on the environment, right? And all these farm foods, because not all protein is made equal, right? Let’s be honest about that, right? A grass-fed, grass-finished cow, beef, is not the same as a industrial commercialized.

Dr. John Jaquish: Corn-fed, right.

Elizabeth: Corn-fed, right, exactly, the cow who is fed with hormones, and antibiotics, and you name it. So, let’s talk about that a little bit. I would love for you to shed some light on what your intake is on the people who are concerned with carbon footprint and saving the animals.

Dr. John Jaquish: The carbon footprint idea or the methane. So, there were twice as many bison in the United States before Europeans migrated here than there are cows. So, where were all the methane and global warming back then? Now, is methane created from grass? Yeah, and if the grass died just seasonally and then came back the next spring, rotting material, dead plants, leaves that fall on the ground from trees, that creates methane too, the same amount. So, whether the cow is eating it or it just sits there, it’s methane equals methane, it’s the same thing.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, a lot of this is just a gross misunderstanding of what methane is. Also, manmade methane, the number one cause is the medical industry, and I think that’s like 80 or something percent of the methane created in the Western world is created by making pharmaceuticals. I think it’s maybe like one or 2% come from cows.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, first of all, greenhouse gases are natural. They come out of volcanoes, they come out of plants, they come out of rotting material. We’re not going to do anything about that unless you want to cut down every tree, then we’ll all die for another reason, so every animal. Is that saving the planet? It doesn’t sound like it.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, the sustainability argument was a false narrative created by vegans and Seventh-day Adventists. Seventh-day Adventists, it’s part of their religious mandate that they convert everybody to being vegan or vegetarian. So, yeah, they’re doing their religious work. So, I mean, I guess good for them, until they start lying in the press about things like this, and then that just becomes annoying.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also, then these kinds of issues get brought up in Congress, and then people are voting on taxes on food, and different things that they don’t understand. People in Congress have no understanding, yet they want to jump in the middle of it because it’s political. After all, people care.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, I find this situation pretty alarming, and then also there’s political correctness, so we want to be nice to animals. Now, here’s a statistic. Seven billion animals are destroyed every year for the sake of vegetable farming. So, growing vegetables kills just as many or more animals as eating animals, and the reason is how many gophers do you need to kill to keep them out of your field. I mean, poised by the thousands, birds poisoned by the thousands. Then of course other animals eat the dead birds, and then they die too. Then deer. If a deer gets in a vineyard. I went to high school in Napa Valley. I watched deer jump into vineyards, immediately get shot. You can’t get a deer to walk out the front gate. They’re as dumb as cockroaches. They don’t understand that, you just got to shoot them. So, they did. I saw deer shot all the time.

Elizabeth: Yeah. I do know that.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s a bummer. Well, yeah, I guess the deer just went to the wrong place. It should’ve gone somewhere else to eat. Yeah, that’s just part of it. But also from a broader perspective, and this is what everybody should keep in mind, any species that’s growing is taking resources away from another species. So, this isn’t just true of humans. If more snakes show up, they eat more mice. They eat so many mice that there’s a lower population of mice in a given area. So, they’re taking resources because they’re an expanding population. That has a way of balancing itself out later on, but as long as we have an expanding population, we’re going to take resources from something. No way around it. The joke is if you want to help the planet, just kill yourself.

Elizabeth: Oh my gosh.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean, it’s a bad joke, but scientists are like, “We’re people, we take up resources.” There’s no way that we’re not going to take up resources, no matter what we do. So if it’s an acre garden that we have to kill all kinds of animals to stay out of from eating the food we intend to eat, well, are we doing anything? No.

Elizabeth: Right, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: We want the land from the animals.

Elizabeth: Yeah, no, exactly. I wanted to clarify. I know you said earlier about the deer, to shoot him, and I wanted to just clarify for reference that if you read your state laws and you see that farmers, a peach orchard could potentially, is allowed to by law, kill a squirrel, birds.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh yeah. They have to, otherwise, they’re virtually destroyed.

Elizabeth: Anything that comes to eat, they are allowed to. This is the kind of stuff that we don’t talk about. The almond farms, the peach farms, the apple farms, all the vegetable farms, they are allowed to and they do kill every single thing that comes in there, from the beavers, from the moles, to the foxes, to the ducks, to the birds, to the squirrels, and they are allowed to because … Randomly, I went to a friend’s house in Jersey, and the guy was just shooting squirrels, unfortunately. We were like, “What can we do about this?” And we called and the local police office, whatever, said that he has an apple tree and he has every right to defend the fruits from his property, and if that meant to do that, he was able to. I was just so shocked. I’m like it’s not enough, it’s not a real farm, but technically he’s protected and they were protecting him. So, I do want to bring that up. When you said that it’s not like yeah, shoot the deer, that’s not what you meant. You meant that that’s their right and that’s what they do.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. They have to.

Elizabeth: We just don’t talk about it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Otherwise they lose their vineyard.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: The deer will eat everything. They’ll keep the grapes from ever showing up. They’ll bite off every leaf. Wild boars are typically shot from helicopters because they come to your farms and tear up the ground. So yeah, just the-

Elizabeth: Just the other side.

Dr. John Jaquish: They use a very selective narrative that the press likes to hang on to. It’s like saving animals is good and very simplified. People seem to want all of their health and lifestyle advice boiled down to a meme, a half a sentence.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: These issues are just not so simple. It’s not like vegetable good, meat bad.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: You eat that way, you’ll die of malnutrition. You get no vitamin B12, which is essential for life. So, you can do that and be dead.

Elizabeth: I have a story. I mean, I didn’t die but I was sick for a long time and I didn’t know what was wrong with me. Doctors didn’t know what was wrong with me. I was under every experimental medication you can probably think of. It was like celiac, Crohn’s, IBS, and it was like, could it be my grandmother had pancreatic cancer and she had survived it. She went to Peru, she healed herself. They gave her six to eight months to live and I think it’s already maybe 15 years and she’s still here kicking and screaming. So they thought maybe this is what it looks like, the precursor, precursor cells. They didn’t know what was wrong with me, so they put me on these diets.

Elizabeth: First, it was vegan because they were trying to rule things out. Then this is by my doctor, right? Vegan and then I became … Sorry, vegetarian first, then it went to vegan, and then it became a raw vegan. Because it was such a big shift in my body I had a massive gallbladder attack and my gallbladder was removed not because I had stones, not because I was unhealthy but because it was such a shock for my system. So, today I do eat animal protein.

Elizabeth: I am mindful of the protein that I eat. I don’t eat a lot of it because it’s so hard to process the protein without a gallbladder. That’s just the reality of it, but I was told by the doctor afterward that a lot of times people go into these diets so quickly that their body does go into shock and it can cause different organs to fail. I’m not trying, I don’t like to make people fearful. I’m a big advocate for having root vegetables. I happen to love root vegetables.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s what happened to you. That’s just what you’re telling.

Elizabeth: Yeah. I’m just sharing my experience. So, I just wanted to share that on diet and what your opinion was on that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Like I said, a lot of meat. Now, I don’t go to vegans and complain that they should stop being vegans. I created a product where they can get high-quality protein and continue to be vegans. So, the bacterial fermentation product, there’s no meat involved in the creation of that, so it’s vegan friendly.

Elizabeth: Amazing.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. So I’d rather help them, but I’m going, to be honest, scientifically there’s just no case for it. It’s a bad idea and it’ll ultimately lead to just a poor outcome. But it takes people a lot of years before a lot of these symptoms catch up with them, like the teeth falling out because you have no B12. I’ve seen vegans where they’ll bite into something and a tooth will come out.

Elizabeth: oh wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m talking about people in their 20s because they’ve been vegan for 10 years. So, the really bad symptoms start after seven years, because initially a lot of people went and tried this, and they’re on a caloric deficit, and they lost a bunch of body fat because you can’t eat enough vegetables to even cover what your body needs from basic perspectives. So, you drop a bunch of weight and people think thin is healthy. Lean is healthy, thin is maybe a little bit healthier, depending on where you’re coming from, but they also might be dying. So, let’s keep that in mind.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because there’s a lot of dysfunctions that’ll cut weight. Cancer makes you lose weight, that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. Another thing, vegan research is typically paid for by Nabisco, Kraft, packaged food companies. They’re called big food, the big food industry. They would prefer everybody to be a vegan because they know vegans aren’t eating kale most of the time, they’re eating cookies and cake because it’s vegan. It’s not a meat product.

Elizabeth: Right. I mean, to be fair, there are different kinds of vegans, right? There are the junkie vegans who eat all the …

Dr. John Jaquish: Just junk food.

Elizabeth: I don’t want to bash any … Just junk food that just says vegan, and then there are the ones that are more conscious about the kinds of food. Is it from a biodynamic farm, how is it raised, how is it grown, is the soil biodiverse, and all this stuff. So, I just want to put that out there. I’m not bashing and neither is Dr. J. We’re not bashing anyone, just kind of talking about these kinds of things. But Dr. J, I thought this was a great segue, talking about gains, right? Muscle gains and talking about body fat. Can you explain how using your technology helps to gain more in your goal without impacting your body and low impact and how it doesn’t cause any joint issues?

Dr. John Jaquish: So, it lets you train heavier. That’s the easiest way of explaining it. You train heavier than you would in the gym, but it’s also safer because when it comes to the point where the joint is exposed to potential injury you get an offload moment where the weight went way down when the joint is at risk, and the weight goes way up when the muscle is fully engaged. So, you go to a much deeper level of fatigue by training with a heavier weight, and everybody that knows anything about strength training, the heavier you go, the more you grow.

Dr. John Jaquish: So straightforward, it uses very heavy latex resistance but there’s also an Olympic bar to protect your wrists. That’s right here. You can see as I rotate the bar this always stays parallel with the ground, and that’s the key. Your wrists are neutral points and keeping any small bones in the wrist from being broken. We have an equivalent platform where we stand on that is to protect the small bones in the ankles.

Elizabeth: Got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because people who just do band training, all they’re doing is injuring their wrists and ankles.

Elizabeth: Really.

Dr. John Jaquish: Or they’re training so light it’s doing nothing.

Elizabeth: Wow, okay. What was the process of creating these products? How did you crack this code? Please share with us the backstory.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m not a part of the fitness industry, I never was. I mean, the fact that I sell something that has a talking point that is neutral points to the fitness industry as just a complete fail, almost a joke. Ignoring science for 50 years, just everything. The idea that cardio helps you lose weight, no it doesn’t, it does the opposite. It protects your body fat and gets rid of muscle, so it gives you the opposite we think. I see people on treadmills and they all are just wasting their time and getting worse.

Elizabeth: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: I come from the medical device industry. I developed a medical device to reverse osteoporosis a little over 10 years ago and that’s been outrageously successful. When I looked at the bone and how to figure out how to treat bone, and make it grow very rapidly, after I figured that out and produced that product, launched that product, did the clinical trials of that product, I realized I had gathered data on loading of the body that would completely negate the existing fitness industry or strength training industry.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now, if you look at what’s the difference between cardio equipment and strength equipment, cardio, what we call cardio, is just really shitty strength training that doesn’t work. It doesn’t make you any stronger. Your body doesn’t know the difference between a treadmill and a squat rack. You’re contracting your lower extremities, muscles in your lower extremities. But it knows the difference in how heavy you’re going because that’s what fatigues the muscle. Now, you’re fatiguing your cardiovascular system doing either. It just so happens that there are more than 100 studies that show that fatiguing your cardiovascular system with weights will give you as much cardiovascular benefit or more than cardiovascular training. So, cardiovascular training as well calls it, as I said, there’s no such thing, you don’t get any stronger. You et weaker because it upregulates cortisol and cortisol cannibalizes muscle. You protect your body fat, so you stay fatter longer, and you don’t get as good of an effect or an equal effect to strength training. So, why don’t you just do strength training?

Elizabeth: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: That answer is so obvious. Now, if you’re training to be a marathon runner, you have no choice. You have to run marathons, but a marathon runner, their biochemistry by secreting cortisol is trying to get rid of muscle as fast as possible. So, they’re losing muscle. There’s this mythical idea that you can be a well-rounded athlete and have cardiovascular endurance by doing endurance training and be very muscular. No, those are two conflicting goals. You’re not going to get a Formula One car to have 40 miles on the gallon. They’re conflicting goals. Conserving fuel and going fast, conflicting goals.

Dr. John Jaquish: So now, I have great cardiovascular endurance. I can do a lot of work in a short time, but because of my level of musculature, as I said, I’m six feet tall about 7% body fat, and 240 pounds. So, when I sprint up a flight of stairs, maybe two flights of stairs, I’m a little out of breath, but a skinny guy that weighs 100 pounds less than me, he doesn’t, he’s not out of breath when he sprints up the two flights of stairs. So, the comment, the ignorant comment that many make is oh, strength athletes have poor cardiovascular endurance. No, they don’t, because my legs are maybe five times the size of his legs. So, when my quadriceps are asking my heart for blood, it’s a lot more blood that it’s got to pump in there. So, that’s a far more powerful engine. So, in essence, I’m driving a V12 and that guy is driving like a four-cylinder. Right?

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, it’s just a weak engine. A weak engine doesn’t draw a lot of fuel. So, just because I’m more powerful and I’m designed to do a lot of work in a short time, I try and do work for a long period, well, I don’t have the engine for that. This is why, again, a cardiovascular athlete has very little muscle mass, because their biochemistry is forcing them to have very little muscle mass. So, this whole endurance thing, cardiovascular health. If your idea is to have a healthy heart, do strength training. If you want to run marathons, obviously you got to do marathon-type training.

Elizabeth: For you guys that are listening and driving, and just listening to us talk through audio, we are also video recording this. So, you can see Dr. J. He doesn’t work out, but he’s at, what, 7% body fat, and he looks like-

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, hold on. I work out with X3.

Elizabeth: Well, let me take that back.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Elizabeth: He’s not from the fitness world.

Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t lift weights.

Elizabeth: He’s not lifting weights, he’s not measuring his macros, and doing all these kinds of things. He is following his formula. So, invite all of you guys to come and see this because I need to go and start doing this kind of training. Hopefully sooner I’ll have the arms that we spoke about before with you and your girlfriend. No, this is very interesting stuff. I want to just take it back a little bit. I know that you first started in the space of how to repair or how to grow, you have to help me out with the lingo here for osteoporosis, because of your mother. Am I correct?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah, it was all inspired by my mother, yeah. She had osteoporosis. I wanted to figure out how to treat it. She was unwilling to take any of the medications because of their side effects, and I don’t blame her. But I said, “Well if you don’t want to take any of the medications I might be able to figure this out.” Now, I came from a very fresh perspective. This was even before I did my Ph.D. My Ph.D. experience was more like I just wanted to learn how to author papers academically because that’s a skill. You read a research paper, there’s a reason most people can’t read them, because it’s a lot of statistics, a lot of information condensed. I know nobody feels like they’re condensed because a lot of times they’re 20 pages, but that could’ve been 2,000 pages.

Elizabeth: Oh wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Written in layman’s terms. Yeah.

Elizabeth: Yeah, no.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s a lot of information condensed academically and I wanted to be able to do that. Everyone has had the biochemical approach to a lot of these physical medicine dysfunctions. I’m like well, deconditioning of a bone is osteoporosis. Well, you can decondition it, you can recondition it, right?

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Everybody kind of looked at me like I suppose, that seems crazy. But there was research there, it was gymnastics. The gymnastics research got me. That was the key moment where I found the right research. I looked at the rate at which people were hitting the ground. They hit the ground so hard, sometimes 10 times their body weight, incredible muscle density but bone density as well. So, it was the bone I was looking at.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, I just thought, “Okay, I’m not going to tell my mother to do gymnastics in her 70s, but I can build a high-impact emulation device.” And that’s what’s at the OsteoStrong locations.

Elizabeth: Wow, amazing. I wanted everyone to hear because a lot of times when we think of why somebody would invent this. What is the goal here? Is he just trying to … Can you flex a muscle for us? I hate to make you do this, but there’s a lot of muscle there, hardly anybody fat. So, you would think that he did this because he just wanted to look good and figure that, crack that code, but the story behind where this all started was the love for his mother and to help her. I’m assuming that she’s doing well today, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: She’s doing great. Yeah.

Elizabeth: Yeah. So, amazing. So, this is what you call the love of a son, and it’s beautiful because the company has grown. I want to talk a little bit about some rumors that I heard. I’ve seen Tom Brady doing the X3. You’re shrugging your shoulders, but I’ve seen it, so you can not talk about it. So, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I can not talk about that, but I don’t pay Tom.

Elizabeth: I know.

Dr. John Jaquish: I will say, I just finished filming a video series with Terrell Owens, who is another one of the greatest football players of all time. Also, much stronger guy than Tom Brady. So, he’s an X3 user. He uses it right, which I find very pleasant when I see videos. I see videos of people using it wrong. It’s like damn it, this is just another dipshit that couldn’t take 15 minutes to watch the instructional videos and they’re just making up their exercises and they’re going super fast, which doesn’t do anything. Speed training is okay if you’re a pitcher in baseball, but what we’re teaching is not sport-specific, it’s generalized. It’s generalized for muscular size, muscular power, and muscular endurance.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: You can have all three. You can profoundly have all three, and they’re synergistic. So, the sport-specific stuff, I leave that to the trainers in sports. For example, the book got an endorsement from the Miami Heat, and they let me use their brand in describing who is endorsing this book, and they rarely do that.

Elizabeth: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: So yeah, they’re very protective of their brand because they just believe in the technology. They stopped lifting weights and they use X3. Now, what I told them was to use X3 for strength, power, and muscular endurance, but you still got to do all your other drills. Will there be any conflict between strength training and drills? Maybe a little. Maybe you’ll get a little less growth in certain areas, with certain muscles are a little overworked or whatever, but you got to do your drills because being a basketball player isn’t just about being strong, it’s about having balance, it’s about regaining balance quickly when somebody bumps into you. It’s part of the game.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, yeah. They still do all that. So, I’m working with Terrell Owens and 16 other NFL players. Terrell is retired, he’s a Hall of Famer. Yeah, and these guys, they love X3. I especially care for the NFL. The NBA too, but mostly for technical reasons. The NBA because they’re so tall a joint injury is much worse on a tall guy than it is on a shorter guy because there’s more leverage on the joint. They will feel more pain through that joint for the rest of their lives.

Elizabeth: Oh god.

Dr. John Jaquish: So you got to be very delicate with the joints of a tall person.

Dr. John Jaquish: When it comes to the NFL, I see the day they sign their NFL contract they’re told you can’t get injured, otherwise you can lose your contract. It’s kind of a funny contrast. They can say we’re going to pay you $40 million over the next few years, but if you get injured you only get paid prorated for whatever you played, and then the rest of that money is gone.

Elizabeth: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So, it’s a contract sort of.

Elizabeth: Sort of.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also, their drug tested all the time. So, everybody knows when they see a fit NFL player, okay, that guy, he really did it, and Dr. Jaquish is helping them, so I want to listen to that guy. So, I enjoy it, because also some bodybuilders enjoy using X3.

Elizabeth: My question for you is since I’m going to now be doing videos. I mean, I’m not an NFL player or anything like that, I’m a beauty person, so I’m going to be doing the X3 soon. Will I look like you? No offense. You’re a man, so that’s great, but I don’t want to look like a bodybuilder. So, is that going to cause that? I want to be a pilates, fit, lean, obviously body fat going down, it’s great, but I’m nervous that I’m going to look like a bodybuilding woman, which is great if you like that, but I just don’t happen to like that look for myself.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you’re not going to look like that. Yeah. I mean, you’ve seen Caroline. She looks incredibly feminine. Yeah. So, now, she modifies the program a little bit. She doesn’t do direct arm work because she doesn’t want to make her arms any bigger, but she does the postural movements, the lower extremity movements. She does calves. She likes how her calves look in heels now. They kind of didn’t look very developed at all before, but they do now.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, a lot of people start strength training, so when they start, they’re hungrier because your body wants nutrients. So, instead of eating nutrients, they eat Twinkies. So, yeah. I mean, did you get bigger? No, you got fatter though, so.

Elizabeth: Sorry.

Dr. John Jaquish: And it’s a habit. I see it happen all the time. No, you’re not going to grow 10 pounds of muscle and look like a man. Usually, that only happens to women who are chemically enhanced, they’re injecting drugs.

Elizabeth: Oh, okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: To get to that look. Again, I like the way you said it. If it’s for you, it’s for you. It’s just not for you.

Elizabeth: So, you guys heard it here. You’re going to see me training, and part of the reason why I also wanted to do this was that Dr. J knows that I’ve had some neck herniations and a lot of pain. He said this could potentially help you, so I am excited about this. But I want to talk about another rumor. Can you handle it? Dr. John Jaquish: I can handle anything.

Elizabeth: Okay. So, I heard a little birdie said to me that NASA published a paper. Not a birdie, but it’s kind of public knowledge.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s public knowledge, it’s just it was published in a scientific journal, and there are not that many people in the world that even know how to read that kind of thing. You know what? I will read you a quote from the paper.

Elizabeth: Let’s do it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It was a really powerful statement they made, but they’re truly looking at what I’m doing in changing resistances for different ranges of motion as a way to manage the health of astronauts because without a gravitational field the body just starts coming apart.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: There are two things, from a technical standpoint, and obviously, we put an unmanned vehicle on Mars already. So, the challenge is to get a human to Mars. Well, little robots with wheels, It’sdo fine with radiation exposure and no exercise, but humans die. So, what we need is … Now, to shield from the radiation, we know how to do that, but what we’re going to have to ultimately do is build the spacecraft in space because that kind of shielding is heavy and the most challenging thing for a launch vehicle is how much weight is in it.

Dr. John Jaquish: The conclusion of the paper says if the exercise apparatus could be condensed in the size of a shoebox to meet the weight and volume restrictions imposed by NASA, it could potentially serve as a countermeasure for bone and strength loss on exploration vehicles. Now, by exploration they mean not the Moon.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: They mean Mars. So yeah, we can pull this off.

Elizabeth: This is exciting.

Dr. John Jaquish: It was a great study and they used bone formation blood markers, which are highly accurate, unlike the standard for testing bone density which is a dual X-ray. X-ray is just a picture of bone, and then they use software so the picture can determine how dense or porous the bone is. Well, it’s a picture analysis. So, is it accurate? Not really.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: One of the developers of DEXA had a drink with me at a conference and he said, “It’s like the worst measure in medicine, except it’s the best we’ve got for bone.” In fact, it’s considered excluded for analysis if the same technician didn’t run your before and after. Yeah. That says that there’s an art to lining up the bounding box on the bone, which is what they have to do. They have to look at your hip joint from an X-ray perspective and get the box just in the right place. Well, one technician does it like this, the other does it like this. So, it’s different numbers.

Elizabeth: So, if this device may or may not already be in production or whatever. So, does this mean that we could potentially get maybe you could do travel sizes of this? I know I’m maybe wishing too far.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, X3 bar is already traveled size.

Elizabeth: Okay. Well, even smaller. You’re like, how much smaller?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, okay. So, there’s what NASA needs and then there’s what the rest of us need.

Elizabeth: Okay, fine. True.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Also, keep in mind from a material science perspective, a lot of the forces that are occurring don’t need to be engineered in the same way for Earth because there’s no gravity.

Elizabeth: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, there might be some different calls for flexibility. There might be some portions of latex, portions of nylon, portions of Kevlar, portions of liquid carbon fiber.

Elizabeth: Are you ready for the last rumor?

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s a lot of rumors. I’m like the most hated guy in the fitness industry. That makes sense. Yeah, I enjoy it. So, when I first came out with the OsteoStrong devices I was being criticized by medical doctors. Now, fortunately, once you show them the evidence because immediately they imagine you don’t have the evidence. Once you show them the evidence and the rationale they’re like, “Okay. I’ll send my patients there.” They do a complete 180.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also, they’re never too excited about anything, because is it going to work for everybody? No, nothing works for everybody. So, they’re real and they’re like, “Oh, I’ll send some of my patients that are relatively ambulatory and relatively pain-free.” Because those are two requirements for OsteoStrong. You can’t be unable to use your legs and get a benefit in the legs.

Elizabeth: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because you’ve got to create the force.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s not going to work for you. The problem I saw with the fitness industry, and I was given warnings by my friends who had been kind of crossing the line between medical devices and fitness. Fitness fans in general are not too bright. Yeah. I mean, they just said like, “These are some of the stupidest people you’re going to find and they cannot absorb science.” It’s like I used to hear Jordan Peterson talk about the bottom 20th percentile of intelligent people is only qualified to push a mop. If they have a job where they have to drive a vehicle, they’ll kill people-

Elizabeth: Oh my gosh.

Dr. John Jaquish: … because they’re that unintelligent. So, I always thought like, “I don’t know where he’s getting that number.” He’s referencing science, but I never looked up the study, but I thought this seems like a lot of people, 20%. Then I found Bodybuilding.com, and I found all 20% of the stupid people.

Elizabeth: Oh my god.

Dr. John Jaquish: They were there. It was amazing.

Elizabeth: Dr. J. Let’s go to the rumor.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Okay.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m just enjoying my haters because the more I get attacked, the business just goes through the roof.

Elizabeth: No, that’s-

Dr. John Jaquish: Because more people see the stupid comments and they’re like, “I got to see this guy.” And they expect me to just be wrong about everything, and then they look up the studies and they’re like, “No, this guy’s right about everything. I love him.”

Elizabeth: Yeah. Well, you’re also a doctor.

Dr. John Jaquish: Go ahead.

Elizabeth: Right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

Elizabeth: So, that makes you more credible, and then you have your research behind you. But here’s the rumor. Here’s the rumor, and I don’t think it’s a bad rumor. I heard that you may be running for governor of California. Did you almost spit out your coffee?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Elizabeth: Is that a yes to the coffee, or yes to the governor, or both?

Dr. John Jaquish: I was in Chicago for a few unfortunate years, but yeah, I’m a California guy, and I love my state. It has great weather. It has some great people. It has a lot of great people. What I love about it are great habits. We’re a healthier state. We like the outdoors. People get outside and do stuff. I think it’s really sad when a state is a financial upside down and it’s also the eighth largest economy in the world. There’s only one explanation, just grotesque waste. I won’t even call it corruption. It’s like we spent $4 billion on a train and never laid a mile of track. It’s just gone. Most of it was on environmental studies, studying crickets, and moths, and stuff like that. Now, I certainly care about the crickets and moths. That’s overboard and it was a waste of the taxpayer’s money, and this is why we have a punishing capital gains tax, we have all kinds of strange things, and of course, the governor shut the whole state down for exorbitant periods with no scientific evidence to back up his decision making at all.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, I’m not doing it because I’m egotistical about it. I think a lot of guys who get into politics, think they’re great, so everybody else should think that. That’s not my story. I think I would do a great job. I think I understand the problem crystal clear and I can fix it. I don’t think the others who are planning on running. I’ve looked at who’s planning on running, and I don’t think they have a clear vision of what the state needs. I’m going to run until I win or I think there’s a better candidate. There are some downsides to me. I might be a little opinionated. I might be seen as toxic masculinity. I’ve been accused of that before. I’m an aggressive guy, I played rugby. There’s a lot of things that guys do that are sort of looked at like that joke wasn’t funny. Yeah, I think jokes are funny, sorry.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, am I perfect for California? I don’t know, but I also don’t think we should be picking people based on their general presentation, how they look, or their skin color. Let’s get somebody qualified. We need it, but what I’m terrified about is we’ll still have these punishing taxes, companies will still leave. It’ll still be just as screwed up as it is now. Because Gavin Newsom, he’s the guy, for all the listeners in New York and other states, he’s the guy who’s governor now. He’s a friend of mine. I used to work for him.

Dr. John Jaquish: I like the guy, but he has just done way too many things without justification when it comes to the virus. Then on top of that, just nonsensical monetary policy of the state. Just waste, brutal waste. It just needs to end. Again, as I mentioned earlier in the podcast, a lot of people want their politics and their nutrition all condensed down into a meme. It’s not that simple, but it’s also not that complicated. We need to look at where the money is going and just fix a couple of problems. Am I going to fix everything in California in four or eight years? Impossible. So many things are screwed up, but if we can fix a couple of big things, we can fix the budget.

Elizabeth: Awesome. Well, I’m excited to have interviewed the potential new governor of California. I think if you think about it from your mission to kind of help the bone from the inside, which is what holds you up as a human, it is your skeleton, it’s your structure, it’s your foundation. When you think of a house you need that strong foundation. I think it’s kind of ironic that you invented this machine or whatever you want to call it, contraption. What do you call it? Tool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Medical device.

Elizabeth: Medical device.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Elizabeth: A medical device that helps you do that, right? Helps you become strong from the inside out, and then that’s kind of what you do. You’ve been doing this for a while, and now you’re trying to do this as a governor. I think that is beautiful, like a full circle. You’re like, “Okay, I see the problem. I want to fix as much as I can the infrastructure. I want to make the foundation strong for my state.” And that just shows the full-circle moment when you do become governor that this is a lifelong mission of yours, to kind of see something that people weren’t able to see because you have a fresh perspective, a fresh pair of eyes, and you’re like, “Oh, that’s how I fix it. Let me make that strong and then everything else will come together.” So, I just wanted to kind of tie that in there. So, this is going to be great. I’m excited to see how this turns around. You have confirmed that you are going to be running for governor of California, so congratulations on that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks.

Elizabeth: Because this is a beauty podcast, and we did talk about the beautiful weather in your beautiful state, what does beauty mean to you from your perspective?

Dr. John Jaquish: Attraction. What attracts people to other people. Turns out it is visible cues that indicate long life. That’s what makes people attracted to one another. So, why do women like strong men? Because they look like they’re going to live a long time, be healthy for a long time. Maybe be able to take care of things, whatever that means depending on where you are. Whether it chops the wood, makes sure everybody is warm for the wintertime, or goes out and earns a living, or protects the family from whatever threats may come upon them. Physical strength is highly associated with longevity and low body fat. So, we visually can tell what somebody looks like and how healthy they are. So, I see health and physical performance as different names of the same thing.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now, the reason I like the fitness talking points of what I would call X3, that’s the strength product, I don’t see it as a fitness device, it’s more medical, it’s more scientific. It’s sort of like alternate to fitness, but when people get involved in fitness talking points, they’re typically talking about their vanity, how good they look. I want to look like this, and when it’s a guy he’ll show a picture of a strong male. A lot of women, and I like the trend where women are trying to build a lot of lower body strength because they like the shape of their legs, shape of their butts. That’s wonderful because they’re building muscle mass that’s going to put a greater demand on all the organs of the body, focusing and forcing the other organs of the body to perform at a higher level, which is going to keep them alive longer. A lot of that muscle mass, they’re going to keep later in life.

Elizabeth: Yeah, but also that trend for the lower body as well. We know, and I’m sure you know as a doctor, probably studied this, that it has shown that women who have more of a muscle mass in the thigh and buttocks area, the lower body part, they produce healthier babies, they store more vitamins, and minerals, and nutrients. So, I just wanted to add that, because that’s when you talk about attraction and people don’t know why that’s attractive, because subconsciously I guess through many many, like cavemen times, that’s what signaled to men like … They call it childbearing hips.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, you can’t change the width of your hips.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: The width of your hips is the same no matter what.

Elizabeth: Yes. Well, yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: But the curvier a girl is, and when I say curvy I don’t mean fat, because very often women are like, “Oh, I’m curvy.” And I’m like, “No, you’re obese.” But I of course don’t say that.

Elizabeth: Dr. John.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m just like, be real. Don’t convince yourself you’re healthy when you’re not. That’s a smokescreen you put in front of yourself. Lying to yourself doesn’t help.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’re just masking a brutal problem. I mean, do I feel sorry for people who are addicted to food? Yeah, I have compassion for them. The food has been engineered so that it’s addictive. It’s not by accident.

Elizabeth: No, but I want to go back to Dr. J. I know we’re talking to Dr. J, not Governor J yet. I want to know about the beauty part. You left us hanging here. You were talking about you like that women are now focusing more on their lower extremities, which engage more muscles, it engages more organs. It does so much for the body overall. So, finish telling us what beauty is to you.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s health. What’s beautiful to me is a healthy hemoglobin A1C score. By the way, one of the metrics that still counts, because a lot of metrics don’t count anymore like high cholesterol doesn’t matter. The higher your cholesterol is, the longer you’re going to live.

Elizabeth: Really.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, people were wrong about that for 20 years. People still say that.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: And it’s the cholesterol medications that harm them more. The fact that … You know why cholesterol was such a myth for so long?

Elizabeth: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay, so think of an artery. Let’s say it’s right here and blood flows through it. What happens is inflammation from eating vegetables or sugar, oxalates, and different inflammatory type situations that happen in the body cause arterial inflammation. So, at certain points in the artery, there’s inflammation. Then as low-density level protein flows through the artery, it sticks at these inflammation points, and it may collect and then break loose and cause an aneurism or a heart attack. So, it was seen as these things that are sticking there cause the blockage, which are low-density lipoprotein, LDL. But that wasn’t the cause. The cause was inflammation.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, if you have a low-sugar diet, having higher cholesterol is fine. You live longer, and there’s research to prove that. But it’s when you have high sugar and high-fat diet, which most people who don’t control their nutrition, that’s what they do, now you’re looking at cardiovascular risk, but just cut the sugar out and you’re fine.

Elizabeth: This is good to know, guys. So, I hope that everyone is taking notes because Dr. J is dropping some bombs from all different perspectives about health, and I can’t wait to get my X3, because I’m going to work on getting my body fat a little lower. So, I’m excited about that.

Elizabeth: So, Dr. J, you know about the beauty circle and you know what I’m going to ask you next is, where do you find yourself … I find like I know the answer to this, but I’m going to let you answer. Where do you find yourself excelling in the beauty circle and where do you find yourself needing a little bit more TLC?

Dr. John Jaquish: The consistency. I think also just focusing on science. I don’t know where that fits in, but not just doing the right things but understanding why you’re doing the right things. People need to take a little more responsibility. When it comes to beauty products, do you know what’s in them? Are you sure? Because some of them have some dangerous chemicals in them. Some of them don’t. Some of them are health-promoting, some of them are beauty promoting but health diminishing.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’ve got to know what you’re putting on your skin, and also what you put on your skin sometimes transfers into your bloodstream.

Elizabeth: I think a lot of times, right? Because our skin is the largest organ in our body.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, I’m being generous.

Elizabeth: You’re being very generous because I know that there are even, and you as a doctor could probably answer this better because I’m not a doctor, I’m just a crazy researcher who likes to ask many questions. I’m the why girl. I think my podcast should’ve been why, and that’s all I ask, is why, why. Even as a child, I was so annoying to my teachers. What is photosynthesis? Why do we need it? Why and whys? I was that annoying kid. But aren’t there some minerals or some medications that absorb better transdermally? We know that there is such a thing as your body absorbing. When people deny this I always say, “So why do we have a birth control patch?” Not that I’m promoting that. Why do we have a nicotine patch? Why is it that magnesium, there have magnesium patches because it’s absorbed best transdermally? There are so many other things.

Dr. John Jaquish: Perfect example.

Elizabeth: Yeah. So, to say that the skin doesn’t absorb, I’m going to call it out as a lie.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Now, some things will transfer easier than others.

Elizabeth: Right. So, where would you say that you think that you could use a little bit more help in the circle? That could be water intake, it could be sleep, it could be spirituality, it could be the relationship to yourself, with others, it could be bowel movements. Where do you think … Or skin and makeup.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’re talking about for me.

Elizabeth: Yes, for you. Where do you think that you need extra TLC? Don’t say the makeup. We’re not going to count that category in.

Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t know. I’m on film a lot, so they do put makeup on me to keep me from being shiny.

Elizabeth: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: But it’s pretty easy. They don’t need to blend it into my hairline. So, from my perspective to answer your question.

Elizabeth: Yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s a lot of things people want me to present on. Recently I’ve been talking about dry fasting, meaning no food, no water. Of course hydration, we hear about hydration all the time, but we don’t have any baseline for hydration. The whole you need two liters of water a day, somebody just made that up. There’s no scientific basis in that at all. So, I’ve been spending some time reading about what’s done for Ramadan, because Ramadan fasting is fascinating. I want to get that information to the world and I don’t quite have … I’m on so many podcasts and there’s a lot of media stuff. Then the filming days with Terrell Owens, or we got another filming day on Friday where it will be the whole day. There will be cameras, and lighting, and stuff like that for more of just like a training kind of video stuff. So yeah, I’d like to just be able to free up some more time so I can get more research done, because honestly, I’m only good at one thing, and most people are good at one thing.

Elizabeth: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: And then everything else they’re just kind of limping along, but I can read research and remember it forever.

Elizabeth: That’s amazing.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, when I read the research, I don’t have to take notes.

Elizabeth: Wow, wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: I can read a study and draw a parallel to a study I read 10 years ago, and I will remember the author of the study I read 10 years ago and find it in 10 seconds, and then I’ll be able to read the two side by side and draw a parallel and then write about it. So, one study may be in one different field. One may be endocrinology, another one might be dermatology, and I can go, “Okay, these two things make sense, but because X is apparent and so is Y, now I have a conclusion I can come to or suggest.”

Elizabeth: Right, okay. That’s fair.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s the one thing. That’s also why I’ve never had anybody real. I’ve had a couple of people who don’t nderstand research make some silly Facebook videos about what a jerk I am because I’m wrong about this, and this, and this and then they provide no evidence. So, even the commenters are like, “Okay, you have no science.” The guy in his book used more than 250 references of scientific studies. So, you sure you’re not the one that’s just full of shit here? So, no real scientist has actually ever had a problem with anything I said.

Elizabeth: So, the category that you would probably want is the relationship with yourself, to have more time so that you can read more research papers and start getting some intel on this dry fasting and just the whole phenomenon of fasting.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, a lot of other stuff too.

Elizabeth: I’m interested in hearing your findings.

Dr. John Jaquish: There are so many things…

Elizabeth: Keep me in the loop, please, because I’m always interested in this. I think that the body’s metabolic flexibility is something that we haven’t explored as much as we could have if that makes sense.

Dr. John Jaquish: That was very well put. So, what we’ve traditionally been doing is looking at normative data. Now, let me define that for everybody. Normative data is what the average is. So, vitamin consumption, or liquid consumption. Well, considering half of our nation is overweight, or obese, or morbidly obese, do we care what the averages are? So, we’re comparing ourselves to people who are the fattest and sickest that humans have ever been.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also, here’s another vegan thing. Right now the Western diet, the standard American diet is 70% plant-based. So, if we go to 80% are we going to be better? Because like I said, we’re the fattest and sickest ever at 70%. By increasing that number are we going to get better? Because that seems wrong. Of course, it is.

Elizabeth: No, I mean, this is a whole nother podcast, but when you do find the research I’m sure that you’re probably going to have some product out there to help us with that because I do feel like it’s going to be trending soon, not trending but more studies are going to come out because there are so many fasting protocols. People are talking about fasting and going into ketosis, and the formula for energy, and all these things. So, we haven’t looked at that, and if you think about the cavemen days, and I always refer to that because I think that’s a baseline for Hercules, right? You think about how people went for days without food, right? And also that-

Dr. John Jaquish: Or water.

Elizabeth: Or water.

Dr. John Jaquish: They didn’t have a Hydro Flask that they carried around for their perfect hydration.

Elizabeth: Right, but then also you think about it from a nutritional perspective, right? I just had this conversation with someone on life, and we talked about that maybe they could’ve had one carrot, but that one carrot, there was a study, and I don’t know if you know about that study, but it said you need 220 carrots to equal the nutritional value of one carrot from a long time ago that was more nutrient-based, not cropped like a monocrop.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you’re talking about the engineering of the vegetables, yeah.

Elizabeth: Yeah. So, a lot of our-

Dr. John Jaquish: Vegetables were massively messed with-

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: … by geneticists.

Elizabeth: So, also considering that from our SAD diet, which is the standard American diet, that even if you are getting those vegetables, how many nutrients are really in that vegetable? Because of that whole thing about diabetes and people that are obese, we are eating, consuming a lot of food that is empty. Empty nutrition, just empty carbs, just empty nothing, which is why you’re still hungry and most of the people are just craving more. It’s like I don’t know why I ate more, but I ate so much but I’m still … Because your body is saying, “I need more nutrients, I need more minerals, I need more hydration.” Because even the water is not the same as you could find it in a … And you know this, right? Springwater is different like you would get in nature, is different than a Poland Spring bottle of water. The structure of that is completely different from the way that your body absorbs it.

Elizabeth: So, we can go on. This is, as you can tell, I’m passionate about this. I feel like you do see that big plate of food, but I see sometimes a big plate of food of emptiness. When you eat value, right? I would love to hear your perspective before, we’ve been on this podcast for a while, and I’m going to be respectful of your time, but when you eat these kinds of high nutrient-based foods you’re not so hungry and you’re not craving things, right? Isn’t that remarkable?

Dr. John Jaquish: I eat one meal a day.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m never hungry. Now, when it’s time to eat and I can smell the food I’m about to do it.

Elizabeth: So you don’t get hangry.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, no. I’m calm all the time.

Elizabeth: Okay, cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. One meal every, whatever, 23 hours.

Elizabeth: Okay, cool. So, Dr. J, our podcast is coming to an end, and something that I ask all of my guests is to share one tip or one piece of advice that they would’ve shared with the younger version of themselves.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, a lot of people think that X3, I’m most known for X3, even though probably the more important thing is the bone density. I mean, osteoporosis is a disease that kills as many people as breast cancer. I came up with the most effective treatment for it. So, scientifically that was a bigger achievement than making muscles grow. Now, I think over time X3 will be recognized as something that keeps people alive longer because they have higher levels of muscle mass and lower levels of body fat. So, both may be saving lives, but there’s a more direct connection with OsteoStrong.

Dr. John Jaquish: The piece of advice I would tell myself, because I’ve been working on this for a long time, and the two products go hand in hand. The self-education, you don’t just learn in school. You learn the whole time you’re doing something from a professional perspective, especially like me, inventing things, creating things that nobody ever saw before or nobody had heard of. It is advice that I was given but I didn’t believe it at the time, just be relentless. Just don’t stop. If you know you’re right, and I did, even if takes your whole lifetime, you’ll never have regret. That’s the worst thing, is the person who had the idea and then they end up hating themselves because they never knew if their idea was worth it or not if it would’ve worked.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, when it came to the osteoporosis device, of course. The first 1000 people I told about it were like, “It’s stupid. That’s never going to work.” And I just realized that I probably just didn’t have my talking points right, or maybe it was too detailed or something like that. Even now I had a great conversation with a marketing team yesterday, and they were telling me I still am going too much into detail when describing the product. It allows you to train heavier than you’ve ever trained.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Just say that, that’s what it does. I’m like well, that’s certainly an easier thing to say than explaining variable resistance and how your strength is different from here, and here, and here, and here. Yeah. I mean, I can go through all that stuff, but everyone, even people who don’t understand my product or my research, or can’t read a research study, which is most people because they’re complicated, they understand you train heavier, you get a much bigger response out of the body. If you can train heavier than you can with weights, well, let’s do that then, because that sounds better, and it is.

Dr. John Jaquish: Not giving up, looking for a better path always, always refining. Even refining things that had been documented in your marketing material, on your website. You never abandon a piece of text. You never just go, “That’s good enough. I’m going to leave that one alone.” Okay, you can leave it alone for now, but you always have to go back and revisit and say, “Is this the best way to say this?”

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Can I say it better? Can I say it so it’s more easily understood? Can I say it so women don’t worry that they’re going to look like men if they use the product? As I said, it’s not a goofy question.

Elizabeth: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I get that question or customer service gets that question probably 100 times a day. For the women, especially on Instagram for some reason, I get a lot of female followers on Instagram, and they’re asking questions like I like your approach to fitness because it doesn’t look dangerous. After all, they don’t want to get hurt, because they know they have girlfriends that have gone and lifted heavy in a CrossFit class or whatever and ended up having a bar land in their teeth and knocking their teeth out, or tearing a tricep or something like that. Hamstring, that’s another common injury. They’re like, “I think what you’re doing is a very low risk of injury.” And they’re right, it is. “But will it work for me?” And I’m thinking, “Why would you even ask that question? Isn’t that obvious?” It’s not obvious, because they’re worried they’re going to look like me with a wig, which would be very unattractive.

Elizabeth: That was my concern, to be honest.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean, I know. I put on a wig once for Halloween, I looked terrible.

Elizabeth: Can we get a picture of that?

Dr. John Jaquish: I’ll send you a picture.

Elizabeth: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: I was He-Man. Remember He-Man? When he would hold up his sword and he became a different person who looked the same and even his friends couldn’t recognize him. It made no sense. The easiest way to get lean is strength training. The easiest way to get strength training done with low risk and high effectiveness is X3. I urge anybody to read the book. Another general piece of advice is don’t just follow, understand.

Elizabeth: Yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: Every Instagram post that I make there’s a little bit of research in there. It’s like here’s this observation, it was made in this study. Keep this in mind when you exercise, or something like that. Twice a week, I usually post twice a week, and the stories are usually the results of some of the users. But every week there’s something where I might say like, “Cardio is not the best choice if you want to lose body fat.” And I get a lot of incoming questions like, “What is?” Then that conversation starts. I tell them just follow the account.

Elizabeth: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’ll get all the information, or go ahead and read the book. People are way too complacent in just doing what they’re told instead of trying to understand.

Elizabeth: Or ask questions.

Dr. John Jaquish: We can put that to politics too. We have people in Washington that are just doing what we say. It’s like, well wait a minute, why? I want to understand why you’re making those decisions. Oh, it turns out all the data that you’re citing that you decided off of was faked. So, no, we’re not going to do what we’re told. I like that about this country in general. I think we’re better than a lot of other countries at not doing what we’re told and asking why. If somebody has a good enough reason as to why, it’s like all right, well, I have no problem doing that. But why do people not want to wear masks? Because the COVID particle is smaller than water vapor. Can water vapor go through a mask? Stand in front of a mirror and breathe when you’re wearing a mask. Do you see steam in the mirror? If yes, the mask does nothing.

Elizabeth: Right. So, I love that advice that you’re giving to your younger self, to people who are listening to the podcast, to never give up. Always ask questions. Do not be embarrassed about those questions, and then understand. Understand why you’re doing something. I feel like you’re singing kind of my anthem.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thank you.

Elizabeth: That’s me. Never give up.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m not a great singer…

Elizabeth: Yeah, that’s my anthem. Never give up. Always ask questions and always know why, why you’re doing this. That’s me, literally. So, I think we’re so aligned. I can’t wait to get my X3 and become strong, and just have strong bones in general, and just have my body fat go down and become leaner. So, I’m excited about that. So, Dr. J, where can we find you? Where can we get a copy of your book? That we didn’t talk about enough, but I feel like we can do a live and do that, talk about the book when I get my autographed copy.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.

Elizabeth: I put that in request.

Dr. John Jaquish: I will give you an autographed hard copy. The hard copy just came out.

Elizabeth: Ooh, you see.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. It’s nice.

Elizabeth: Okay. So, I’m going to get the hard copy. So, where can we find you?

Dr. John Jaquish: So, my Instagram is just drjaquish, D-R-J-A-Q-U-I-S-H. But that’s a lot to remember. There’s a link to that on my landing page, which is just doctorj.com

Elizabeth: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: D-O-C-T-O-R, the letter J.com.

Elizabeth: That’s perfect. We can get the book on there as well or where do we find the book?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. There are links to everything. There are links to OsteoStrong, if bone density is your question, to X3bar.com if it’s a superior strength, superior bones, superior nutrition. So, those are sort of the three product categories that I develop products. The Fortagen , the superior nutrition, I didn’t really develop that, I kind of reappropriated it from, like I said, that cancer, sort of the anti-wasting type protein. It’s a little different because it’s designed to be more anabolic.

Elizabeth: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: But that will regenerate human tissue in protein synthesis better than anything, any food you can eat.

Elizabeth: Oh my god.

Elizabeth: Now I’m going to be broke. I’m going to get all these things and we’re going to do a live about this and talk about it because you’ve sold to the highest bidder.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s all right. Nothing is expensive. Keep in mind, I think about a $2 dose of Fortagen is as good as eating an eight-ounce steak.

Elizabeth: No, don’t eat it. Yes, so thank you so much for that. We are ending the podcast.

Elizabeth: Thank you for being here, thank you for sharing with us all of the amazing conversations that we had, and goodbye.

Elizabeth: What an amazing podcast. We heard Dr. J talk about how he is running for governor of California. We heard about NASA, how they might be using his product to help get people on Mars. We heard about fitness, and we heard about the food, and we had just amazing conversations. So, if you like what you heard, please give this episode a five-star review if you felt like it was valuable. Also, don’t forget to check out Dr. J’s Instagram, and I will put all the show notes at the bottom, as well as write a review. It goes a long way. If you felt like this information was impactful, it was funny, it was great, you learned something, please feel free to share this with at least five people who you know would get some value out of this. So until next time, see you guys next week. Bye guys.