Dr. John Jaquish is the inventor of the most effective bone density building medical device, which has reversed osteoporosis for thousands and created more powerful/fracture-resistant athletes, In the process of his medical research, Dr. Jaquish quantified the ,variance between power capacities from weak to strong ranges in weight lifting, which brought him to his second invention, X3.

The research indicates that this product builds muscle much faster than conventional lifting, and does so in less training time, all with the lowest risk of joint injury.

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Katie: Welcome to She’s All Over the Place .So excited to have you here. We’re here to add value to your life, to inspire you, to take actionable steps for your ultimate success and health. I have an amazing scientist on with me today. His name is Dr. John Jaquish, and he is amazing. He has the first scientist and doctor I’ve had on the podcast and I thought it was so apropos and important because as human beings with our ambition and everything that we want to do in life, there are multiple parts.

And one of the parts is the psychological part and doing it with health, but doing actionable steps with smart choices. So Dr. John Jaquish is here and with no further ado. Thank you, John, so much for joining me today.

Dr. John Jaquish: Hey, Katie, thanks so much for having me.

Katie: Yes. So nuts and bolts, where are you in the world right now?

Dr. John Jaquish: Near lake Tahoe.

Katie: Very cool. Very cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Doing some stuff up here. And as you know, my product is made in America. Now the bands, the latex, you can’t grow tree latex in America very well. So the bands have to come from Sri Lanka.

Katie: Oh, okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Everything else is not only… Usually made in America means assembled in America with Chinese parts. No, the parts are made in America and then it is assembled in America, boxed in America, and then shipped wherever in the world it needs to go

Katie: Cool, cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: I keep everything just such a high-quality standard.

Katie: Yeah and we’re talking about the X3 bar?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: Cool. Very cool and that’s been around for a couple of years now.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.

Katie: And then why did you decide to care to create the X3 bar?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, so it has to do with the medical device, I invented that was my first invention and that triggers bone growth. But when I was looking at the data that I pulled off the first trial that was done in London, I noticed that people were using, deconditioned, postmenopausal women were using seven, eight, nine times their body weight when they would load the hip joint or the knee joint, or maybe… It was just a huge departure from where we would see the loading in a typical fitness environment.

Dr. John Jaquish: So I compared the data from the study that was done on my first invention. I didn’t do that study. I just participated from a methods perspective, conflict of interest. So I just wrote the instructions like, “Hey, this is the way to use it in any way that is not this way is wrong.” Because sometimes people just decide to invent their way of doing things and that’s how soldiers shoot allies. So we want to keep that from happening.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So what I wanted to do is take this study and look at the comparison between that and then what we had in like the database, which is something the National Institute of Health, the United States maintains. There are the,000 people in that survey. And they add about a thousand or 2000 a year to go into that survey data. So they ask them the same questions they’ve been asked for the last 10 years.

Katie: And when was that?

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s ongoing.

Katie: Oh, but when-

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, when did I start?

Katie: When you first participated in the studies, which year was that around?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, when the first publication came out on my invention, I think that was 2015.

Katie: 2015.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And the device had existed before, but without the clinical data it should have had, but it worked for everybody and people saw their bounty going up. So that was enough for them. But yeah, it was something we needed from a credibility standpoint. And so when I took that data and when I looked at that, it was very compelling because, because I compared the in’s database to the data that came off the study about OsteoStrong, the technology.

And people were dealing with seven times the amount of force than they normally would in a weightlifting environment. So somebody, some deconditioned elderly person is compressing bone at seven times their body weight voluntarily, but a weight lifter like the strongest guy in the world doesn’t lift seven times his body weight. What had to do with the specific positioning I took with regards to the biomechanics of the body and force delivery into the body.

Dr. John Jaquish: And so, and what I was trying to do was emulate impacts ofgymnastics. So gymnasts have the highest bone density in the world, they’re the outliers. And it’s because of the way they contact the ground. They hit the ground at an incredible velocity, and then they get sometimes 10 times their body weight.

Katie: Mm-hmm (affirmative), mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. John Jaquish: Now they are often injured, very young and the average age of retirement for a gymnast is 19.

Katie: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: And all for a reason, right.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s hard on your body kind of sport and you only have to land wrong once and you can have a career-ending injury. But no matter that, what I wanted to do is create a set of devices that would give us the benefit of high impact without the risks of high impact. So that’s what the device was, it drove that information. Once I had that information, I looked at the huge difference, a sevenfold difference between what people work out with and what their capability is.

So if you know, when you’re lifting weights, you’re using one-seventh of what you could use. One-seventh of your muscle tissue, one-seventh of your actual potential wouldn’t then weightlifting be a waste of time or said a different way. We’re not seeing the kind of results out of weightlifting for a reason, because it’s very inefficient. And that is why I wrote when I wrote my book, it’s called Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time: So Is Cardio, and There’s a Better Way to Have the Body You Want because I can prove that

Katie: Is it available on audio as well for people?

Dr. John Jaquish: It is available on audio, yeah. It’s on Amazon. And it’s largely about the journey that I first had. And then I brought on my co-author and he’s a biomedical engineer also. He’s been working on a lot of these things with me. And so when x3… When I first had the concept of X3 and he was the first person I showed it to. And well it can’t be this simple, because it was simple to design. It’s a simple, elegant product, elegant as hell. And the answer is, “Yeah, it is that simple.”

Katie: Yeah. I’ve seen the bar, I’ve seen the thick band and medium band, the small bands. I’ve seen the different bands. Yeah, and it just seems very simple. You can literally like pack it, take it with you wherever you go, on a weekend trip. It’s just, it’s super simple to take what you.

Dr. John Jaquish: I was just in Vegas, I had a wedding but I take it. I, I have some great pictures from my balcony at the King George hotel in Athens.

Katie: Oh my god. Oh my god. Which we love, we love the hotel and the rooftop having breakfast at the buffet. Oh my god, having breakfast at the buffet and the Parthenon. I just love King George. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, yeah. The part where you can see the Parthenon behind me. I actually, went to that restaurant and I started working out next to my table. And of course, they had like a film crew with me because they loved the area and the restaurant was like, “What are you doing?”

Katie: Oh! I mean, they have all those amazing paintings…

Dr. John Jaquish: But I got there like 7:00 AM. Nobody was up there and I’m just like, “We can do this.” And so like, besides, I know the owners of the hotel, so it wasn’t like that big of a deal, but I got some great pictures there.

Katie: Oh, I did a whole photoshoot up there, also in the lobby, they have the most amazing artwork by these amazing artists. The artwork, everything, the lobby. So gorgeous and then did you go next door to the restaurant next door and have dinner on the rooftop there too. There’s a hotel next door.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah of course. Yeah, that’s the same owner. I forgot the name of it. Yeah,

Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah oh my god. Okay, yeah or like one day we’re going to like being there together talking…

Dr. John Jaquish: That’d be great. There used to be a secret tunnel between there and parliament.

Katie: Yes. Yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: And that’s how Winston Churchill would get to parliament every day.

Katie: Cool. Very cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: I used his office while I was there.

Katie: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: Nice.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m a big Churchill fan. Yeah. He was one of the greatest leaders of the world’s ever had. Yeah, that was cool. So anyway.

Katie: Well,

Katie: I don’t know if you know it off the top of your mind, but do you have any favorite quotes or words of wisdom from Churchill that you kind of, about your mantras that you live by?

Dr. John Jaquish: They would all be very controversial. No, I take it back. There is one. You will never get to where you are going if you stop on the road to throw rocks at every barking dog."

Katie: Oh yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: Just ignore the haters, they’re just losers.

Katie: What a waste of time and energy.

Dr. John Jaquish: Honestly, they are just stupid animals like barking dogs-

Katie: Just stay focused.

Dr. John Jaquish: Dogs don’t bark because they’re smart, they bark because they don’t know what the fuck is going on? Oh, I should that. Sorry. You can beep that out later. Yeah. So right. So just keep going.

Katie: Yeah. I love that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Don’t pay any attention to your detractors because guess what, they didn’t invent anything.

Katie: Right? Yeah. Just it’s it takes you off the path of your goal and where you’re going. Just not ignore the distractions. Just you acknowledge it, they’re there, but then you just keep on going. Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: I agree.

Katie: Because yeah. Very cool, very cool. And then Tony Robbins is yourpartner with the X3 bar. So tell us about-

Dr. John Jaquish: OsteoStrong. He’s no partnering with us, yeah.

Katie: With the OsteoStrong. Okay, I’m not perfect, don’t hate me.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, it’s okay. He wanted to be-

Katie: Oh.

Dr. John Jaquish: But I was like, “No, I got this one myself.”

Katie: Yeah. Well, I watched the video of him talking about OsteoStrong. So do you want to kind of pivot in, talk about that and I mean, how’d you meet Tony Robbins? How did he become your partner? How did you-

Dr. John Jaquish: He called me, I got a great answer to that.

Katie: Oh, he called you?

Dr. John Jaquish: A random phone call from Tony Robbins.

Katie: So he loved everything, your energy, what you were about. And he called you and said, “Hey, I want you to be my new best friend. Let’s go into business together.” What happened?

Dr. John Jaquish: He didn’t use those words. He said, “I want one of your machines.” And I’m like, “Well I only have prototypes and they’re $300,000 apiece.” And he goes, “I’ll pay 300,000.” And I’m like, “Who is this?” He says, “This is Tony Robbins.”

Katie: Mm.

Dr. John Jaquish: And I knew, I recognized the voice from somewhere because yeah, he has a very distinct voice. And so I was like, “Oh, okay. Now I know you’re serious.” So yeah. So we made him one, we made him in another OsteoStrong device and I delivered it to his house and we hung out for a long time and yeah, we did have a lot in common.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: A lot of things he recommends, I had never been to one of his events or anything like that. I think I had heard a tape somewhere, tape maybe undergrad, it was in my fraternity house or something like that. And I listened to it and I was like, “Hmm.”

Katie: Yeah. In 2005, I was introduced to the name, iconic Tony Robbins. I was in an acting class with Michael Wilson. And they’re like, “If you want to have a changing experience, go to Tony Robbins.” Everyone was saying it. I was just like, “I’m not into that woo-woo, stuff, whatever. I’m not going to go see a life coach. It changed my life.” Blabbity, blah blah blue, and life journeys went on you kept hearing about Tony Robbins and then it was a gift, but someone gifted me and I have it, I have it. And I just listened to it not even long ago. And oh my God, he talks about the blueprint and how you have your little girl blueprint and then going back and rewriting your blueprint. So I’m a big fan of that. I have that on audio.

Katie: And then I saw his Netflix special on Netflix, but I’ve never partaken. And then through the years, I wanted to, but it was I don’t know, $10,000 or something like that. I’m like holy camp lies, $10,000. So, but yeah, I mean, obviously he’s legendary and you’re legendary and he contacted you to be a part of what you’re doing and that’s the biggest honor and compliment. So I’d be so proud of you for being you and taking the actionable steps that you are to help people empower people and to be that leader. And it’s just such a beautiful thing to hear and witness. So congratulations. That’s so awesome.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thank you.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So yeah, that’s how it started with Tony. He just called me and yeah. It’s and going well ever since.

Katie: And then do you want to share a bit about OsteoStrong with us?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I just did.

Katie: I mean any, is there anything else you want to share, I mean?

Dr. John Jaquish: Not particularly, unless it’s something, one of the listeners has a loved one that probably not one of your listeners, but your listers has a mother or a grandma that might have a bone density challenge.

Katie: Oh no. So I’ll just be very Frank with you. I’m being transparent here, but I’m probably going to botch it. My mom’s doctor just told her two days ago that she has osteopenia,

Dr. John Jaquish: Osteopenia.

Katie: Yes. She has that. So that’s on the verge of where she’s headed. So what are actionable steps that she can do in her life and for other women and men out there who maybe need to be more mindful and aware of what they can do for their bone health and their ultimate lifestyle?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Ultimately she needs to get to an OsteoStrong, people want, people are like, “Well, what can you do at home?” And I’m like, well, if you could do something at home, I wouldn’t have invented the thing. So yeah, OsteoStrong, it’s a medical device. It puts axial compression. So there is the axis of a bone and you compress the bone from end to end and that’s what triggers growth.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: You need to compress it to a fatigue point, but the computer software at OsteoStrong does that all for you. It’s very straightforward.

Katie: Got it. So that’s the golden ticket. That’s just hands down what to do and then better now-

Dr. John Jaquish: Where does your mother live?

Katie: Pardon?

Dr. John Jaquish: Where’s your mother live?

Katie: Michigan.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. That’s a large place. More specific.

Katie: Oh, 30 minutes outside to Detroit by Ann Arbor.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh! Yeah. There’s one near her. I can’t think of the exact city.

Katie: Wow. So where is OsteoStrong then? And how many countries are only in America or all… No, it’s in Greece. You said Greece. So where else is it?

Dr. John Jaquish: Greece, yeah, I got a huge presence in Greece. Well, we’re in eight different countries.

Katie: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: We have 150 clinics.

Katie: Great.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: Okay. Okay. Okay, cool. And then people just get on a program and they have to go X amount of times or is it a continual thing or maybe?

Dr. John Jaquish: You want them to go and then you want them to keep testing their bone density? Yeah, I’d tell them to do the blood work because it’s so much more accurate than-

Katie: The blood work?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. The industry standard is to do a DEXA scan, a dual x-ray absorb geometry test. The problem is that looks at the outside of the bone. It doesn’t do a very good job of looking at the inside of the bone. And let’s look at the whole thing. So what’s in the blood test shows the activity from an anabolic perspective and a catabolic perspective of what’s happening in the bone density, which is way more important, but you should have a DEXA scan also at some point. But what we want to do is first get it trending upward. We need a more anabolic than catabolic ratio.

Katie: And then do you do that at your normal doctor or do they do it at OsteoStrong? Do they do all the tests there?

Dr. John Jaquish: The blood lab would have the P1NP or CTX blood tests.

Katie: Got it. Wow. This is so impactful and informative. And it’s so great to know about it for our loved ones. And it’s so good to know about it while we’re young, vibrant, and youthful, so we can take actionable steps to protect ourselves.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right now I had a conversation a couple of years ago with some of the guys that are in charge of West Point and they were telling me that 18-year-old males are coming into West Point. These guys are the best, right.

Katie: Okay, what is West Point? Let’s just talk about exactly what WestPoint is?

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s the official college of the US army.

Katie: Okay. Got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s like Annapolis is for the Navy. So that’s the academy. Yes. So you go to college, but you also get a military education. So West Point is a very elite school, very hard to get into physical fitness tests are hard or at least they were. They’re still hard for the people who are trying to pass the test because every kid is kind of a weak one now. And that’s the problem is these 18-year-old males who should have sky-high bone density have low bone density. And they’re not quite osteopenic yet, but they’re 18.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s going down when you exceed 30. So they’re going to have a lower peak bone mass, which is terrible.

Katie: So for the musicians out there and artists out there who maybe aren’t so active but don’t want to go so macho into the extreme, what’s a good regiment maybe per week to be able to get the optimal health in and exercise in your perspective.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I find actually through the X3 experience, which is a very, very different way of exercising. So that’s my exercise product, not my medical device. I find that people are not lazy at all. People are stupid, but they’re not lazy. And by stupid, I mean unwilling to learn, you ever have a political conversation with somebody who you like hit them with like 10 actual like real things. And they’re like, “Well, that’s a lie.” like they just want to dismiss reality, okay. So I’m certainly not changing your mind.

Katie: Or the people who are just into conspiracy theories. It’s like getting on planet earth. Let’s just talk about facts here-

Dr. John Jaquish: Or how about the people who think they have all the answers, like the weightlifters.

Katie: Yeah. Oh yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I get death threats regularly. But yeah-

Katie: I’m sorry to hear that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because weightlifting is your religion, what’s wrong with you.

Katie: It’s what they were taught. It’s limited. It’s a perspective and it’s limited and-

Dr. John Jaquish: It made all they have, the ones that kick and scream about it. Maybe the only thing they have in life is I lift dangerous weights, so therefore I’m cool because if you see CrossFit videos where people are throwing their weights against the ground and make a loud noise, that’s a serious mental illness there.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: That’s violent.

Dr. John Jaquish: That is just typical-

Katie: It’s violent for others and themselves, if they’re doing that on an external level, imagine what they’re doing to themselves.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh yeah.

Katie: However you are to your worst enemy and me too, however, we are to our worst enemy. We’re 10 times, 69 times hard on ourselves. So it’s really sad. It’s really sad. And it’s really sad of like you said, the education of people not being educated and they on a circumstantial level were taught certain things. And so it’s kind of, I want to say breaking the generational trauma, but breaking the generational mind for about physical impact and how we should be fit as human beings.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

Katie: To dismantle all this crap. And that’s why you have the book, why youcreate-

Dr. John Jaquish: Let’s wind it back and answer your question. I didn’t, yeah. Ultimately the reason I said, people are not afraid of hard exercise. It’s just the time, even young people there’s a lot of stuff they’d rather do, but if they can get a workout done in 10 minutes.

Now the x3 makes it a very hard workout, it’s the hardest workout of your life, but it’s over real quick. And people don’t mind that most consumer products have a 30% return rate, with fitness it’s a little higher because people are lazy and they don’t want to do it or they get no results out of it. So 30% of the product that fitness companies at least come right back to them. We have a 1% return rate.

Katie: Really.

Dr. John Jaquish: And it’s usually the reason is they only unwrap the lightest band and they can’t do the lightest one.

Katie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. John Jaquish: But then they’re just like, “I don’t like it.” Well, I know why you didn’t like it, you realized it was hard work and you wanted nothing to do with that.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: But I see that as really a 1% problem. The rest of the people use it and they immediately see results. If you use it correctly, the first time you’ll see results in a couple of days, if you’re a lean person. If you’re not a lean person, you won’t see it until you start dropping some body fat and you can see some definition muscle, but I mean, I’m a lean guy and I can see different things going on in my arms and-

Katie: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: In my arms, different separation of different things. So I was able to see those things.

Katie: Okay, wait-

Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t know how many-

Katie: Yours looks amazing, how do mine look, tell me the truth. What’s going on?

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s pretty good, it’s great.

Katie: Here’s what do you, what do you think?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, it needs some work.

Katie: You’re being honest.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, if you wanted to be a more defined person, I mean have a more muscular definition.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, a lot of things you can do.

Katie: Yeah and.

Dr. John Jaquish: By a lot, I mean the way I do it because that’s a fit. I wouldn’t want to do it the way other people are trying to do it because whatever percentage… Here’s another thing about the fitness industry. So many people defend the traditional way of doing it. And I tell them, “Fitness is the most failed human endeavor.” The most, if you look and I have data, there are studies on this, about how unfit people who engage in fitness are, but the lowest percentage of body fat, the lowest one percentile is 10.9% for males. That’s pathetic 10.9% isn’t even lean. That’s not even visible abdominals. That’s like, maybe you can see a little bit of the top of your abdominals, but you’re chubby.

Katie: Yeah.

Katie: Yeah. I mean, you’re nothing special at all and this is the top 1%. So who is fit, who has like, and this is part of what I want to point out to women too. And women have been dealing with this for a long time. Whereas what is presented to you is unrealistic. Okay, maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, that’s debatable, but how many women get modeling contracts? Very few. How many women want them? Millions. How many men, let’s talk about men because when you talk about muscle, it’s more associated with masculinity. How many look like professional athletes? There are even professional athletes who don’t look like professional athletes. I got to add that in.

Katie: True. Very true. Especially those football players. Some of them just are like. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well some of them are amazing. You wouldn’t say that about a typical wide receiver maybe, a defensive end. Yeah. He has no motivation to be lighter. So two extra-large pizzas for that guy.

Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s how they do it, but they’re also strong. But my point is who’s fit. One in six males have used or are currently using anabolic steroids in America over the age of 18, a dangerous chemical.

Katie: That so waits, one that’s so scary and two that’s bad for your bone density, right? The steroids.

Dr. John Jaquish: Depends on which drug. Yes, some. Some, no, but it’s bad for a lot of things. Liver health, kidney health, cardiac health. Yeah. There’s a lot of reasons why you want to avoid anabolic drugs except testosterone replacement therapy because that’s just replacing what should be there. So you might have a deficit because of all this chemical crap that they put in processed foods or like… And a lot of vegetables diminished testosterone. So people going towards plant-based like they’re hurting their testosterone, but you can get testosterone replacement therapy, which is fine. But that puts you back at a normal level that’s not like you get the same thing that the bodybuilder gets. No, you don’t. So you should be normal when you have that. But so this is not what this survey was about.

Dr. John Jaquish: It was one in six are using anabolic steroids, meaning high doses. So who’s fit. Is it one in six people? Well, we already know the top percentile isn’t even there. So it’s not one in six it’s, maybe one in 600, probably more like one in 60,000. Because look you can count all the males on Instagram that are really good shape. Maybe there are 40 of them or 50 of them in the world. So why is it that their method of doing it, if they’re the only ones that have that is effective, maybe there’s something unique about them, which is the last chapter of my book, the big genetic difference between the guy who guy or girl who gets strong and doesn’t, has to do with tendon alteration? All the rest of us have like our pectorals insert? on the middle of our chest.

Dr. John Jaquish: So dead center, right on your sternum. And then the insertion point of the tech pectorals on the other end is typically right where the bicep starts on the humorous bone. So you bring the humorous bone across the body and toward the body. And that’s what that muscle does as it shortens as it contracts. But some people and these people are much more likely to become professional athletes have a longer lever arm in their arm. The lever arm and their arm are two different things. I’m talking about geometry in one perspective and an actual physical human arm in another perspective.

Katie: Great.

Dr. John Jaquish: So instead of that insertion, right under here.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right under, right at the beginning of the bicep, they have the insertion at the other end of the bone.

Katie: Oh wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So, and Mike Tyson has this, which is why he can punch someone. who’s four inches from his face and knock them out. So those people bowl have a genetic anomaly going on with their tend in insert insertion points. And it’s usually universal all over the body where they’re more advantageous. So they have a stronger weaker range and they can contract more musculature in just about everything they do. So it has nothing to do with drugs. It has to do with leverage. It has to do with their body giving them a strategic advantage in gaining muscle because they can load the weaker ranges. And they’re able to activate more muscle in those weaker ranges, which keeps them from damaging joints. So they get to keep doing this and doing this and doing this until they become very well-developed people.

Dr. John Jaquish: My product throws that equation away, X3, throws that out. Everybody has the advantage now with variable resistance. So that’s the biggest genetic difference. So I tell people who say, “Oh, all those guys on Instagram are shaped, are all on steroids.” That’s always said by somebody who has baby arms and a double chin, somebody who never tried anything. It’s like-

Katie: Yeah, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I see you’ve done a thorough analysis here.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: But you know, so I say like one in six people are taking steroids.

Katie: The other thing I wanted, oh gosh, I had, sorry, go ahead.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, I was just, who’s in shape maybe one in 60,000. So you’re wrong. You’re wrong.

Katie: Yeah. The other thing I wanted to mention is that I was thinking about, the X3 bar is because it’s so sustainable that it’s actually, you’re doing great things for the environment. I mean, there’s all these pieces of plastic machine, bikes, and junk. It just takes up so much space in the world and-

Dr. John Jaquish: It does.

Katie: To make all this plastic crap, like you’re doing great for the environment by having something that’s so sustainable

Dr. John Jaquish: And it is like air loom quality. You’ll be able to hand it down to your kids. It’s so powerful.

Katie: Yeah, it’s great quality.

Dr. John Jaquish: And going to dissolve in five years.

Katie: And I also know, I think it has a lifetime guarantee. If anything happens to the bands they’re replaceable, right. Or in the return policies amazing too. If people get it, there’s a great-

Dr. John Jaquish: It is, I can’t quote it word for word. So I shouldn’t.

Katie: Yeah. But I remember when I saw my friend who got theirs, there was a great return policy on it that you could, I don’t remember what the exact return policy was, but it was you could use it for a good amount of time to see if it you were into it or not. And then the person didn’t return it. So, that says a lot, but yeah. So I thought that was important because, with being mindful of sustainability in our environment, I just want to commend you because I think it’s, I’m very big into environmental health and my parents downstairs in the basement, they have all these machines and they just got my dad a new one-two months ago, so he’ll start working out again. He’s been on it twice. And it’s just this big clunker thing that he doesn’t need. So, everyone checks out the X3 bar, Tom Brady has been using the X3 in many different ad videos, including his ads. So I was wondering if you could talk about Tom Brady.

Dr. John Jaquish: I definitely cannot. I do not pay Tom Brady. So I cannot confirm or deny whether he is it or not. There’s a lot of pro athletes that use there’s a guy in the Lakers. That’s one of the best guys in the NBA. And I reach out to these guys and I talked to Tom Brady’s staff and to see if we could work something out, we could not, but I know he likes it. And yeah, I mean-

Katie: Great.

Katie: I mean if Tom Brady’s a big fan then. I mean, and if he uses it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, he’s very public about his liking of variable resistance. So he understands that the human body is a lot stronger at an extension of a movement versus the back position.

Katie: Ah!

Dr. John Jaquish: And he and his trainer, Alex Guerrero, they are both seeing that. And they’re a more efficient way to train is something they were after. So it’s all right. We’re fans of each other.

Katie: Cool. Very, very cool. Very cool. And pivoting, can you tell us, the audience a little bit about the paper you were authored with NASA?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that came out last week. So two people from NASA worked with me on a paper. Now I participated alike with the other paper from the methods perspective, but we got something done in this paper that, and I’m going to read you.

Katie: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Important part of this paper.

Katie: Oh yeah, please.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, so remember I was talking about blood tests. Blood tests are superior to the DEXA scan because DEXA is just a picture, an x-ray is a picture. This tells you what’s happening. So it’s a more dynamic test. If you know what your anabolic level is and what your catabolic level is. And so just listen to this.

Katie: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: The BAP, which is a bone formation marker increased by 39%, and the NTX, which is the breakdown marker decreased. So we got an increase of 39% and a 41% decrease in the breakdown. So it’s huge changes. And this was only after a couple of weeks of using the bone density technology. And then there’s a quote. “If the exercise apparatus could be condensed in the size of a shoebox to meet weight and volume restrictions imposed by NASA, it could potentially serve a countermeasure for bone and strength loss on space exploration vehicles.”

Katie: That sounds very positive.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, of course, it is. It’s about as positive as you can get in a research study.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: The study’s not a promotion. So-

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: That was a generous comment. But when they look at the results, all they care about is the results, is this going to keep… And so, I’ve spoken on a panel with some astronauts about a couple of years before we started, not about a year before we started this paper, speaking about how do we get astronauts to Mars? The two biggest challenges, one is radiation, humans aren’t meant to be in space. There’s radiation everywhere. Our atmosphere does us huge favors, the idea, the whole star Trek thing where we’re going to like a bunch of groovy hippies in matching turtlenecks are going to travel to some other planet and just shake hands and make friends with the aliens. And there are no diseases and there are no challenges and there are not a million things that can kill us that’s just fantasy.

Katie: Yeah. Oh yeah. It’s fantasy. It’s total fantasy.

Dr. John Jaquish: Ever going to leave the earth? Yep, when it blows up because of something humans didn’t do, it’s about it. We’re not going to colonize another planet, never going to happen. Anyway-

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: We want to get to Mars. Can we put some people on Mars? Have them walk around, take a picture. Yeah, we can do that.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Would it be interesting? Absolutely. We would probably learn all sorts of things we’re not even expecting to learn. So the challenge of getting humans to Mars has to do with the radiation and bone density loss, those are the two biggest challenges. When it comes to keeping, the astronauts alive, we could feel it. And we could have a launch and landing vehicle. We already have the technology to do that. We put a roving vehicle there, so we know we can get there and drop something off.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now all we got to do is have the ability to pick something up and then come back, which is where more than halfway there because we know how to do it. But you can’t have dead astronauts. They got to live and be healthy when they come back. So we can fix the radiation problem by levels of shielding by probably building something in space because we got to take it up in pieces. After all, it’s just too heavy, because weight matters when it comes to having the energy to escape the atmosphere. But when it comes to bone density, we need bone compression. And that’s what I’ve been working on for so many years. And that’s why this paper was so important because it’s a pretty simple approach. Now while the OsteoStrong devices weigh thousands of pounds and they’re not the size of a shoebox it’s okay because you know-

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Breathing room. I mean, we can do that today.

Katie: Well, congratulations. That’s cool that NASA selected your analysis and your report, that’s revolutionary. So congratulations, it’s epic.

Dr. John Jaquish: And the authors they’re thrilled. They want to promote it to their peers. And of course, their peers are other people in the Solar SpaceX. There’s a lot of people going back and forth frequently from SpaceX and NASA, so they have a great relationship.

Katie: Do you know by chance Kanul Sood? Oh, he’s on the board at the UN. And he does things for the environment all the time. And he has event events at the UN and he always has astronauts come, but he’s so prolific and amazing. I want to introduce you two because I know you can be a speaker and be a part of the community of like-minded astronauts who are involved in science and doing unstoppable things in the world. So I would like to include you in that. I’m going to make an introduction if that’s okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, sure.

Katie: Cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Sounds very interesting.

Katie: Very cool. Very cool. Awesome. Awesome. Anything else you want to share on the NASA front with us?

Dr. John Jaquish: I’d just say there’s more to come. This is a powerful discovery and now they know, I think now they know that they can solve the problem in a very simple and elegant way. And you mentioned using fewer materials to do more, what? Yeah. I mean ultimately we should always be looking at that.

Katie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. John Jaquish: Remember how big computers used to be, but this is all we need. I mean, this is a computer.

Katie: Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I know people that work from their phones.

Katie: Oh yeah. Especially if you’re in Hawaii on the beach, or in Greece on the islands hopping around. Oh no, I have seriously, I have this dope video. I’m on this massive ship going from one island to another. And I’m on my phone working and my friend took a video of me working from the sea because that’s how we spend our summers, you know what I’m saying?

Dr. John Jaquish: Sure.

Katie: Yeah. Working from the Aegean Sea. Yeah. So I know if anyone wants to geek out, I assume I don’t want to assume, but is the analysis report just public domain. If someone would want to read your work.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. You can read the abstract. If you just get on my Instagram page and it’s the last highlight in press.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: In the press section.

Katie: Yeah. I saw the recent posts, so cool, impressive.

Dr. John Jaquish: Or yeah. So you can get the APA reference there, but copying pasting text out of Instagram, doesn’t work.

Katie: It’s horrible, terrible. In Clubhouse, are you in Clubhouse at?

Dr. John Jaquish: Because they don’t want you leaving the environment.

Katie: Are you on Clubhouse?

Dr. John Jaquish: I have an account on Clubhouse. I haven’t turned it on yet though.

Katie: Oh my god you would boss in Clubhouse. Oh, it’s such a great tool. You’ll convert so many clients and so many new viewerships and fans. Oh my God. Wy needs a boss and does a room in there together seriously to honor you like on the podcast and everything that just happened with NASA and just honoring you as a scientist. I mean, I would love to host you in a room at Clubhouse. That would be amazing. Oh my god, Kabul, he’s a boss on Clubhouse and he has ex-fellows. The thousands of people are a part of the club and will curate it with him and we’ll have you on, oh my God. People will love you in that space.

Dr. John Jaquish: All right.

Katie: Yeah, we got to do it. I’m going to make that happen. I’m a producer just so you know. Okay. So I’m wondering about, I want to kind of pivot and turn on to the miss and benefits of fasting.

Dr. John Jaquish: Mm.

Katie: Heads up. I’ve intermittent fasted twice. Once when I got back from King George, because I was there and the beautiful woman, I was wearing a baby doll dress. And because it was a baby doll dress, I don’t know if you are familiar with baby doll dresses in fashion, they’re loose. And she asked how far along I was. And yeah, so right when I came back, I did intermittent passing and in 35 days lost 12 pounds.

Dr. John Jaquish: Got it. Yeah.

Katie: So, and then I only did it one other time at the beginning of the pandemic. And then I heard the creator of the zero apps who created zero apps for intermittent fasting. He said actually, because of the pandemic and when you’re intermittent fasting your immune system goes just about below the breaking point. And he said, because of the pandemic you’re supposed to keep your immune system high. So he suggested for people not be doing intermittent fasting. And he said he wasn’t doing the intermittent fasting. And so I have only done it twice.

Dr. John Jaquish: That doesn’t make any sense.

Katie: No, maybe, I took the information wrong.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, 72 hours fast, you completely refresh every cell in your immune system.

Katie: Oh, wow. Yeah. But doesn’t your-

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s thebest thing to do.

Katie: He was saying something because you’re supposed to… Well during the pandemic, you’re supposed to keep the immune system up, not down. And he was saying something on there-

Dr. John Jaquish: While you’re doing the fast. Yeah, it can suppress your immune system but-

Katie: That your immune system will go down and it’s best to keep it up because of the pandemic of keeping your immune system up. So I stopped doing it. I was 23 days and then I stopped.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. You did a 23 day fast?

Katie: Yeah. I was going for like 40.

Dr. John Jaquish: Whoa.

Katie: Yeah. It was amazing. I just had like a smoothie every day, plant-based smoothie.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. So got it.

Katie: I went 18 hours, nothing. Just water.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So that’s what I do every day. I eat one meal a day. So-

Katie: You do? I like it. I like it. When do you normally eat?

Dr. John Jaquish: End of the day, dinner.

Katie: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Just earlier dinner because I don’t like going to sleep with a lot of food in my stomach.

Katie: Yeah. So circling back to the question. What are the myths about fasting?

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, that it’ll kill you. That you need eight glasses of water a day. There’s zero science behind that’s just some shit somebody made up. Yeah, a lot of things that we said like breakfast is the most important meal of the day. So you shouldn’t fast that was written by Kellogg’s to sell cereal.

Katie: The sugar company.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, the sugar company. Right?

Katie: The process sugar company,

Dr. John Jaquish: Processed sugar.

Katie: Raisin bran,they just got sued not too long ago.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, fasting has been used in all sorts of religions, just for mental clarity. And I never really went down that path. The religious references because it’s like we have scientific references and I still don’t, but I like how they do it in Ramadan. So the Ramadan fasting is a more aggressive form of fasting. It’s no food and no water. So you dehydrate and you dehydrate your body finds its hydration. You don’t stay dehydrated. You rehydrate by yourself by pulling moisture out of fat cells, which destroys them. And then you go into very rapid autophagy.

Dr. John Jaquish: So the Ramadan type fasting gives us a much more permanent type of fat loss. And so I’m trying, now we talk before you start recording the show, we were just chatting about all kinds of fun stuff, but like the difference between motivation and discipline, a disciplined person is only going to care about that day or that meal or what’s right in front of them. It’s split-second decision-making like you’re playing a video game. When you’re playing a video game, it’s not like, “Well, how is this going to affect me next week?” It’s like I got to beat the bad guy so do I run and grab the Bulletproof vest? Or do I grab the ammunition? Because I’m such a good shot. He’s not even going to hit me. We got to be able to make that decision but you don’t struggle over it. You just make it because you have to.

Katie: It’s our primal instincts, the fight, and flight part of our brain, the reptile part of our brain.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, right. And so binary decision making is really easy, but see people look to motivation and they get very turned off because they realize there are a million steps to where they want to go. And it’s like, “Okay, we’ll put that off one day. It’s no big deal.” Yeah, but you’ll never get there, never. So that’s just how that’s how losers think.

Dr. John Jaquish: Don’t think like that think like a champion would think, which is just what’s in front of me today. Do I want to go to bed and say I was a loser today? This probably means I’m going to be a loser forever or do you want to say I did it right. And I’m one step closer. So it’s a pretty easy decision to make when you frame it like that. And then so am I going to break my fast and eat a… Somebody made a chocolate cake. Am I going to eat a piece of that? No, I’m good. I’m fine. If they push me, I’ll be like, “Do I look like I eat chocolate cake?” I’ll get mean about it.

Katie: I love you. Oh my god because they’re like putting, applying their stuff on you. It’s like get off me. Didn’t you, you heard me the first time.

Dr. John Jaquish: What they’re doing is fit shaming.

Katie: What is it?

Dr. John Jaquish: Fit shaming.

Katie: Fit shaming. Oh, the first time I heard that word fit shamming.

Dr. John Jaquish: Almost like making fun of you for being fit, but I’m cool.

Katie: People do that.

Dr. John Jaquish: I think from being extraordinarily in shape because I am. So they can all get lost.

Katie: Oh wait. Okay. Yeah, because like some people just recently will say, “Oh, what do you want?” I’m like, oh, cause just between us here, I guess and the watcher, and the viewer, and the listener. Hi, we love you. Thanks for being here. Something happened last week, I won’t get into the details, but it hit hard, three different people. It hit hard and then I just needed to psychologically, physically detox and I did it fast and I didn’t say anything about it. I just did, I’ve done it before but I did an… I wasn’t like, “Oh, I’m going to do an emotional fast.” I’m just taking action to do an emotional fast, physical fast. I just did fast. I didn’t eat anything. And a couple of people were like, “Oh, like do you want anything?” I’m like, “No, I’m good. Thanks.” “Oh, you’re not going to eat anything.” And I want to be like, “No, I’m good-

Dr. John Jaquish: They’re like ridiculing you for not wanting to eat anything. It’s just like, Hey, when you step on the scale, are you happy?” And then you wait for the horrified look and say, “Yeah, I didn’t think so.” So-

Katie: Can I say that? Oh my God, that really-

Dr. John Jaquish: I say that all time.

Katie: I need more of that. I need more of that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, one of the most powerful things that we do with each other is peer pressure. Now peer pressure is always used in a negative context like the afterschool special that’s like, “Come on, you want to smoke the dope, just like they, to us that way we’ll think you’re cool.” Do you know what I mean? Nobody ever talks like that except on those after-school specials.

Katie: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. And so, but like hold your friends to a higher standard. I tell my friends, “You are overweight,” all the time.

Katie: I love you. Oh my God. Love that. I love that.

Dr. John Jaquish: If somebody doesn’t want to hang out with me because I’m like “Hey man, you got to get control. Like, come on.” (silence)

Katie: Losing the light over here.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, there we are.

Katie: Here we go. Glow, glow anyway. Yeah. So I love that. I love that and people mean more of that. You need to be able to beat you truthful and shotruthfullyw up for people and say it and not think your feelings are going to get hurt because you’re like, “Hey, I’m saying this because I want you to stick around for another three to four care for you.”

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. That was my next thing. I was going to say, you need to say it compassionately.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: But just be real about it. It’s like I said to a friend of mine who was extraordinarily overweight and I go look like his son’s seven and I’m like, “You’re looking forward to his high school graduation.” And he says, “Yeah.” And I said, “You sure you’re going to be around for it?”

Katie: Oh!

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh yeah. And the guy was just like, “Dude, like a hat, ’s a little hard on me. Don’t you think?” And I’m like, “No, man, you need to take it seriously. You’re like 200 pounds overweight and I don’t want to bury you. So let’s get this fixed.” And also I know that people who are morbidly obese, they’re eating to medicate something. They worry. Yeah. It’s anxiety that forces them to eat.

Katie: Right. Emotional eating.

Dr. John Jaquish: You get that big and it didn’t happen by accident. They’re aware.

Katie: I know.

Dr. John Jaquish: But they’re also addicted based on something they’re replacing or anxiety to distract them from the anxiety. They just go.

Katie: Yeah, or there’s psychological, mental abuse from your circumstances and you bury yourself.

Dr. John Jaquish: Sure.

Katie: And then you wake up and you’re this mountain of… And it’s-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: They were just eating hiding and eating behind it and hiding.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: I didn’t get to that point, but I hid for some time. And I woke up I’m like, “How did I get underneath this rock? Like I thought it was three days and it’s like three years later.” And it’s like, “Whoa!” I mean, has that ever happened to you? Have you ever been under a fricking rock? And you’re just like, “How did I get under here?”

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: I mean, we’re human beings, right? We all have our ups and downs and we know the highest of our highs because we’ve understood the lowest of the lows. And we’re at the lowest of the lows, we can appreciate the joyous of the joy because we know the sorrow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Mine had to do with a poor business decision I made, but this was a long time ago. And I ended up working with really bad people.

Katie: But it taught you-

Dr. John Jaquish: In… Say it again?

Katie: But it taught you.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’d say I was just kind of sitting there being irritated for about a month. And then I built a plan to what my next moves were going to be because that’s all you can do. Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: The behavior of these people was out of my control. So.

Katie: Yeah. Cool. Well, thank you. Thank you for sharing all that. And so optimizing nutrition, the body needs protein. Let’s talk about that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. Your body needs high-quality protein. There’s no way around it. So I made a product called Fortagen. It helps vegans a lot who don’t get high-quality protein and I’m sorry, I know Impossible Burger wants to tell you that P protein is great. About 9% of it is used by the body. It also comes with an incredible, just load of all sorts of other artificial chemicals and colors and things like that, which are toxic. Yeah, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t feed an Impossible Burger to my enemy.

Katie: You know, I’ve only had it one time, years ago in Studio City, California. I only had it one time. I don’t know, our bodies are very intelligent. We know things and for me, when I was a kid, I never watched the news. I just, I’m such an empath. I’m very sensitive. I never watched the news. It was just all chaos and junk and something when this Impossible Burger came around, something told me, no. And I was just always no about it. And I’ve heard for years, how bad it is. And I’m like, “Oh, I’m not surprised.” It’s not good for you. And you’re explaining the reason why it’s not good for you. I didn’t know those things. I didn’t understand the concept of whyI just knew it wasn’t.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So Impossible Burgers don’t count up for quality protein, their garbage quality and most vegetables don’t count at all either. Even steak is 38% usable by the body, eggs are 48% but then the bacterial fermentation product that I came out with, it’s called Frontage that’s almost a hundred percent usable by the body. So almost no nitrogen waste is created. So I take four doses of that a day.

Katie: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Here’s how my day goes. Here’s how my day goes. A lot of people want to hear this because it’s not like I’m acknowledging a particular way to eat is the right way. I’m just saying this is based on all my scientific analysis and everything I put together from the different concepts of fasting and carnivore nutrition and dry fasting just putting that all together. And it’s because people email the company all the time like, “What does Dr. Jake do? I want to know what he does because he’s succeeding. And I think he’s doing a little bit more than he’s telling us.” And it’s not much more, but the way I execute it is probably a little more serious than others.

Dr. John Jaquish: So to get the longest fasting benefit, I want to do all my eating and hydration in a short window. Now carbohydrates are not nutrition, really at all, and are not needed to sustain life. They’re not even a macro-nutrient. I’ve proven that a couple of times when looking at them like they’re completely unnecessary for life. However, we like them because where they show up in nature is at the end of the hot season going into the cold season where it is advantageous to be as fat as possible. That’s why carbohydrates exist to get us as fat as possible or we can use them strategically to refuel glycogen and get energy back into the muscle. So like Zach Bitter, he’s a friend of mine. He holds is an impressive runner. He’s a world record holder in a hundred-mile run.

Katie: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: That dream was hard. Yeah, a hundred miles run.

Katie: Hundred miles. I did 26.2 in Alaska. I ran up power Mount McKinley. I was a part of this club, sidebar. I was a part of company called Team and Train and I raised $4,500 because I was missa Michigan teen for one year. And to do something, to document my leadership ability, I connected with Team and Train because of my background as a runner, and I raised $4,500. And I donated it to kids with leukemia and lymphoma disease. And I went to Alaska and I ran a marathon 26.2 miles, one time, one and done. I’m not a marathon runner, but yeah. Wow. 100 miles is a lot.

Dr. John Jaquish: He’s a carnivore, but he takes in carbohydrates while he’s on a run to convert it to energy to be used. So he is like fueling and burning, right at the same time. So that… I use carbohydrates to replenish glycogen stores used right after a workout.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, if I go into a workout dehydrated, which like before a photo shoot, you would do. And then you take carbohydrates and then begin to work out, immediately all that glycogen gets pulled into the muscle because there’s so much signaling to use it. And then, so I can hyper-hydrate the muscle then I start drinking fluids, re-hydrating the muscle with the fluid. And with the glycogen, which is just sucking all that fluid up, and then I’ll stretch. And that creates a condition called hyperplasia, which is where the muscle cells split and become two cells. So that’s why it’s carbs, liquid, workout, all beginning maybe let’s say an hour and a half period, where the workout kind of happens at the end of that period. And then I go right into whatever my one meal a day is. So I try and do this before dinnertime.

Katie: Mm.

Dr. John Jaquish: And then, because I’ve had-

Katie: So you don’t work out in the morning? You work out in the afternoon.

Dr. John Jaquish: I work out in the afternoon.

Katie: Right before you’re going to eat your food.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. That way I get to have the rest of the time, dry faster. So then I have a huge cup and I fill that with Frontage. So I do four doses of Fortagen in here. And so I get 200 grams of my protein taken care of. And then for dinner, a little carbohydrate, won’t kill you at this point because you’re dry fastings, but you want to rehydrate while you’re eating. So you need a little bit more carbohydrates. And remember I developed this for the regular person to stick to.

Katie: Yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because when I was just going three days, no food, no water. And just dropping pounds of body fat. Yeah, that worked for me but nobody else would do it.

Katie: Yeah. You have the mental discipline, which is mind over matter.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.

Katie: I have that too, being an athlete.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Absolutely.

Katie: But not everyone else can do it though. I get it.

Dr. John Jaquish: No some people get five hours into it. And I just couldn’t do it.

Katie: They’re emotional eaters. It shows you their strength of mind actually, and their character. But Hey, that’s the herd out there.

Dr. John Jaquish: One meal a day. They still get to eat. They still get to have some carbohydrates. So I’ll do a bacon cheeseburger for dinner, which most people can get on board with. So I’m not eating that much food and I’m re-hydrating. So it’s also high sodium food is good because I’m trying to get as much water in my system in that four-hour four-hour it’s really like a 20 hour dry fast, and then four hours of eating and drinking so I can re-hydrate.

Katie: And then what kind of… You said with the sodium, what kind of salt are you doing?

Dr. John Jaquish: Himalayan.

Katie: Got it. Himalayan salt, okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Or just Sea Salt, it depends on… I travel a lot. I still travel a lot. I said I wasn’t going to travel as much, but I still kind of am.

Katie: Oh my god, I have not been traveling at all. I’ve been laying low.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Well.

Katie: But I know a lot of people who are out there busy flying around.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. I used to fly 200,000 miles a year that’s not going to happen anymore.

Katie: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean but those were Greece trips, China trips, Russia.

Katie: Yeah.

Katie: Used to go to Russia a lot.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: Oh, so the protein you were talking about, can I put that in my smoothies?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yes, don’t put sugar in your smoothie, just put that because it has Stevia in it, which makes it a little sweeter.

Katie: Okay. So I don’t have to put honey then.

Dr. John Jaquish: Nope.

Katie: If it’s already sweet and then cool. I’m going to get some and I’m going to try it out.

Dr. John Jaquish: Don’t put any other protein powder, Fortagen doesn’t play well with other proteins.

Katie: Oh, okay. Yeah, because I have… The one I have is plant-based chocolate because I love chocolate.

Dr. John Jaquish: No.

Katie: No Chocolate. Okay but I have this pre-fiber thing, I can do the pre-fiber. I can do the collagen. Does it have collagen in it too or no?

Dr. John Jaquish: No. Collagen will conflict with it.

Katie: Collagen conflicts. Don’t put the collagen in there either-

Dr.John Jaquish: Next month. No.

Katie: So what can you do it with macadamia milk, oat milk. Can you do it like that? Or do you want to do it more with water?

Dr. John Jaquish: Water.

Katie: Water?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: Oh yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: We can do another show on nut milk.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’ve never seen anybody milk an almond.

Katie: Oh, I can’t even have almonds because it makes me bloated. I have to do the macadamia or the oat-

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s a lot of information.

Katie: Huh?

Dr. John Jaquish: You shouldn’t need nuts.

Katie: No nuts. No nuts. No nuts.

Dr. John Jaquish: No.

Katie: What about oh, so no macadamia milk-

Dr. John Jaquish: Or oats.

Katie: Oh. because they, the volume that I was telling you about it said stay away from oat milk. It said to do it said do coconut.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Coconut’s a seed.

Katie: Not so coconut. So staying away from oat milk’s not good, but so even the macadamia, I should stay away from that. Huh?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: I’m done.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I have no nuts to my diet.

Katie: I’m going to be a Costco mom shortly. Like I get things like by quarter it’s like, if I get like toothpaste, I buy three or four. So I just get it once every three to four months, you know what I mean? So my macadamia milk, I got two cases of them from Costco.

Dr. John Jaquish: You have kids.

Katie: Not yet, but I’ve always as a-

Dr. John Jaquish: Your worried you’re going to run out of things.

Katie: What?

Dr. John Jaquish: You just worry you’re going to run out of things.

Katie: Well, I’m just in the macro. If it’s going to preserve, instead of me going once a month to get something, I might as well just stock up for three to four months and do it in that kind of rotation. That’s how I kind of work. God willing I’ll have kids. But when I was younger I was always like, “I’m going to be a Costco mom.” Because I loved having just a pantry full of like everything that you need. It’s like I get excited like a kid in a candy store, just being like a stock on the good stuff.

Dr. John Jaquish: I eat almost every meal at a restaurant. We have nothing in common.

Katie: Really.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh yeah. Yeah. I’m always out

Katie: How are you? Oh, because you’re in California. People are going to the restaurants. No problem. Right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh no I-

Katie: Going out person. I know the restaurants that put Gavin Newsom on a dartboard and they just are hidden.

Katie: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well I’m not talking about food anyway like day to day-to-day I’m talking about more like toiletries, deodorant. I’m a Costco mom in that way.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I just order everything from Amazon because I don’t want to take a trip to Costco. That’s annoying.

Katie: Oh I don’t either. They deliver it. I have the Instacart. Not that I’m not an affiliate with Instacart. Trust me. I am not an affiliate with Instacart, but in a rotation, I like it delivered me too. No way, but I love Amazon too and I’m not an affiliate with Amazon either.

Dr.John Jaquish: Right.

Katie: Yeah. So any other thoughts or anything you want to share?

Dr. John Jaquish: I think we covered a lot. That was great.

Katie: Seriously. I am intrigued though. What’s one of the things that motivated you to like science and maybe when you’re a kid and something happened and you’re just like, “Ew! This is what I want to get into.” What motivated you and excited you about science?

Dr. John Jaquish: I think it just always came easy.

Katie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. John Jaquish: Some things people find very stressful. Others people feel like it’s breathing. Yeah. When I had to do a research paper with references, like cool. Yeah, I know I’m better than everyone at that. So that was pretty obvious and it was just like science courses were just effortless to me.

Katie: Love that. Oh my God. I love neuroscience. I love Dr. Joe Dispenza.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: I love Dr. Gregg Braden. He is so cool. I was watching something with him and he was sharing how, what makes us different as a human species is just chromosome two and chromosome seven, C two and C seven are the only reasons how we are different than any other species living on the planet. I just thought that was so exciting.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: So growing up as a youngster, was there a scientist or two that you admired who was your mentor? And then it’s a two-part question and then one that you got to meet in life.

Dr. John Jaquish: No.

Katie: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: No. No. I didn’t think that… Probably when I was a little kid, I thought that Dr. Quest was cool, but he’s a cartoon character. Do you know Johnny Quest, the TV Show?

Katie: I know the name, but-

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. So his father was assigned and his father would apply science in a way where they were always in these crazy adventures where people were doing… This is how Jurassic Park got its concept, got it started. Somebody would take the DNA of a dinosaur bone and create dinosaurs to take over the world. And it was a corny TV show, but I was like, “Of all the superheroes, Dr. Quest was the coolest because he understood how things worked.” I just, that’s what I want. I want to understand how something works and even now somebody’s car breaks down and they can’t diagnose the problem is. They’ll tell me, “Oh yeah, just kind of just kind of slowed down to start to stop.” And I’m like, “Well, did the lights dim while it was slowing down?” And they’re like, “Yeah, how did you know?” Mm-hmm (affirmative), that’s an alternator problem, but they don’t know that because they don’t know anything works.

Dr. John Jaquish: So I always wanted to be the guy who was able to understand what was happening around me. And so, later on, I did have, I had a fifth-grade teacher who I thought was cool. He had a Ph.D. in zoology. And so in his classroom, he got all kinds of special clearances. He had rattlesnakes in his classroom in cages. And it was just like, “Why are you allowed to have that?” And he was like, “Well, here’s like, I know how to handle them.” He was just an interesting guy and I learned a lot from him. I learned a lot from my father who designed and built a lunar rover for NASA.

Katie: He did.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: Cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: Let’s talk about that for a minute.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s what?

Katie: Let’s talk about that for a minute.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I wasn’t there, so there’s not much I can say to that, happened quite a bit before I was born.

Katie: Oh, wow. So you-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: So NASA’s in your family blood.

Dr. John Jaquish: Sure.

Katie: Yeah. Very cool. Very neat. Oh my gosh. What a cool honor.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it was very interesting growing up with a person who solved problems for a living that’s kind of what, ultimately what I wanted to do and that’s what I do.

Katie: Yeah. Creating solutions for our health. Thank you so much. And for being you and doing the work that you’re doing, and it’s such an honor to connect with you. And it’s been an empowering conversation and I know you’ve gifted a lot of value to the viewer and the listener and I value you and the most important thing is our time and our attention and.

Dr. John Jaquish: Sure.

Katie: Spending time with me right now, I’m just, I’m so grateful. Thank you so much. It’s such a pleasure and I’m going to have everything in the show notes. So you can link below and any last words of wisdom or any last words Do you want to share before we sign off?

Dr. John Jaquish: For the young people who are debating their career path or their education. I have three degrees. I don’t particularly value any of them. So you learn like in fact, I pretty much went path, least resistance. I went to Sacramento State for undergrad that’s like the number one university on highway 50. It’s also the only university on highway 50, which is why I love saying that. Nobody cares, if you achieve something, nobody cares where you went to school, it doesn’t matter. And, and so don’t get distracted by shiny objects. I met a CEO who recently said, “I’d never hire anyone from an Ivy League school.” And I said, “Why?” I think I thought I knew why and turns out I was right. He says, “Because that’s all they’ll ever accomplish.” Most of them, it’s like, “Oh, I went to so and so place.”

Dr. John Jaquish: And they think they’ll be able to just say that wherever they go and everybody just thinks they’re right. Well, the problem is in real life, whether you’re right or wrong matters because you could bury a business or it can thrive. But just saying, I went to such and such for school, doesn’t make a business successful. It doesn’t do anything. So the guys, all you get is an attitude and a demand of overpayment. And then they get let go, and then they go pull the same at another company.

Katie: Right? So the ego, the clout.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, right. And what people want to know, when they employ you or when you go off and do your own thing, let’s say you have investors or you just need to buy in of your significant other as your emotional support. When you get something started, whatever it is, you got to be in a position, not where you have the education to do it. Because it doesn’t mean anything because millions of others have that same education. Whao they do? Nothing. So we got to keep in mind is whatever you decide to do that you’re the world’s expert on that. Now, if you want to develop the world’s best toothbrush and you do a literature review on teeth clean different effective methods, and you believe that you… Well, and here’s where you have to be. You have to have absolute conviction that you’re right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So like when some Jim industry clown wants to argue with me and he’s got all the accessories, he’s got the sideways hat and the stainless steel ring on every finger. So he’s smart obviously and these guys, they come at me and they have of some sort of question. They think they got me like, “Man, I’ve heard that question hundreds of times?” Here’s the… So with OsteoStrong, these gym people are like just self-propelled sandbags compared to the physicians I had to argue with. You could only imagine changing the medical landscape is very difficult unless you have the proper documentation and evidence and I do and a half, which is why OsteoStrong is successful.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s the reason I’m successful is I put it all in the book Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time: So Is Cardio, and There’s a Better Way to Have the Body You Want. Here is the evidence that proves my statement. Now, if I didn’t exist, would weightlifting be good? Sure, I guess. It’d still be very inefficient, but now there’s a better way. And if you care about the practice of weightlifting and being as strong and as lean as possible, which are the two greatest drivers of long life, by the way, you should care to read that because it will change the world.

Katie: Beautiful. Thank you for sharing those wise words. I almost started crying, I was getting ready for it. I’m just being moved right now. I’m so moved by hearing those words and especially for the youngster hearing, it’s insecurity, it’s money, it’s ego, it’s the clout, it’s the system, the society of the projection of the illusion that you were saying earlier, it’s the illusion. So just to hack all that from… Oh, wow. I mean, thank you so much. And everything will be in the show notes, the book, check it out. And I’m going to be calling OsteoStrong immediately on behalf of my mother and getting her involved. So I’m going to take actionable steps on that for her and do the research and check it out.

Katie: So if anyone if you’re moved and inspired, please share this with a family friend member. Thank you so much for being with us, Dr. John. I appreciate you.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: Yes. So everyone checks out the links below. Oh, I had one more question. So what do you think about whey protein?

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s very low quality. It only absorbs at a percent of 18.

Katie: I haven’t done whey protein in seven years. I knew it, I just wanted to hear it from you.

Dr. John Jaquish: I wouldn’t. If somebody gave it to me for free, I would just buy it when I got home, and I’d just throw it away.

Katie: And then what about hemp protein?

Dr. John Jaquish: No.

Katie: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, no. I mean, there’s a protein in hemp, but it’s so unusable by the body. Like no.

Katie: Got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Hmm. Yeah.

Katie: Awesome.

Dr. John Jaquish: Hey, I understand a lot of people would like to believe plants, give us everything. They don’t sorry. Not even close.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: If you see a vegan who has no processed food, they’re probably emaciated. Oh, they’re, especially if they’ve been doing it more than six years, they’re probably close to the death of malnutrition.

Katie: Oh no. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: They did. The body’s not meant to do that. Can’t eat plants.

Katie: Yeah. My sister was vegan for a while and now she’s just turned into this carnivore. She’s been doing this carnivore diet. She’s been eating beef liver or liver. I mean, she’s been going straight. She was even doing ants, she was eating those ants. You heard about that, but she-

Dr. John Jaquish: What do you mean?

Katie: Huh!

Dr. John Jaquish: Living ants.

Katie: You know what I’m talking about, the ants. I haven’t done that, but she has, she did ants but-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, well in certain countries that are served.

Katie: Right

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Katie: Yeah. Cool. Well maybe we can have you back on, it would be an honor to honor you and add value and share more of your stories because I’m sure you have so many of them. Okay, cool. Thank you, Dr. John. I appreciate you so much.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks, Katie.

Katie: Okay, cool. We’re signing out over here and we’ll see you next week. Thanks.