2019 Interview with X3 Bar Creator, Dr. John Jaquish

MC has interviewed Dr. Jaquish before, but it’s been about a year and the X3 variable resistance exercise system has gone through some improvements and is offering new products (Jump to 22:32 to get info on the GHAccelerator).

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Jason: Hey, what’s up? This is Motorcop coming to you from the MCPD studios. In a few minutes, I’m going to interview the creator of the X3 Bar portable home gym. If you will go back in time a little bit, about a year ago, we had him on our old podcast, the Crossover Show a couple of times, put up some YouTube videos. It’s been about a year since I’ve spoken to the doc and I wanted to bring him back on the show. I am rebooting my physical health this year. It’s one of my big 2019 goals and his creation, the X3 Bar exercise band bar system, is factoring into it heavily. I don’t want to tease too much, but you’re going to enjoy this interview. Now right about over here, in a matter of minutes, the doc will be here answering questions that I have pulled from Facebook and from followers of the YouTube channel over at the Motorcop Mindset. I can’t wait to have him on. Without further ado, let’s cut to the intro and we’ll be back with the interview with Dr. John Jaquish. Dr Jaquish, welcome back to the new improved MCPD studios. What do you think?

Dr. John Jaquish: Jason thanks for having me. This is great.

Jason: Not bad, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: No, it’s beautiful.

Jason: Not bad at all. We put a little time and effort into things.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you did. I like it. Everything’s nice.

Jason: I appreciate that. So we’re going to talk today about a couple of things, but for those that have not met you before, you are the creator of what’s called the X3 Bar resistance band bar system. Tell us real quick, what in the hell the X3 Bar resistance band training system is.

Dr. John Jaquish: So I did … my background is bone density research. I was in the medical device industry for years. I invented a device that increases bone density. So for those who are interested in that, that’s called OsteoStrong, Osteostrong.me, but how that works is it puts axial compression on bone. So this is the axis of a bone. It puts compression end to end and triggers bone growth, and as people went through these protocols and I was doing that research … because you got to have clinical trial type data published, and so when that was coming together, I noticed that as people were voluntarily producing force and putting it through bone, that in the impact ready ranges of motion, meaning your stronger range … so if I put my arm up like this, if I’ve got 120 degree angle of inclusion, upper to lower arm, that is the most powerful position that I have in my upper extremities. So if you look at that and then you compare that to what we do in the weaker range of motion, like in a bench press back here, there’s a seven fold difference.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: So we always knew there was a weak range and a strong range.

Jason: Sure.

Dr. John Jaquish: But what we didn’t know is what the difference between those two things was, and so now that I had that research to quantify that I thought, “Wow, when we lift weights, we overload joints and we underload muscle.” So basically the stronger you’re getting, the more joint damage you’re at risk of, or you’re getting cumulatively. So a lot of the soreness that you get when you lift is really just damage, and so once I understood this I thought, “Wow, people are going to think I’m crazy if I say weight lifting is a waste of time or weight lifting is hurting you more than helping you,” but I now have evidence that indicates this. So what I then wanted to do was create a device where we could get the benefits of this even better than weightlifting stimulus, far better than weightlifting stimulus, without any of the downsides, without the risk of injury, and so then people can just train further. They can go further with a training stimulus and they grow more muscle.

Jason: So let me ask you, I’d always understood the way muscle grows, and when you’re pumping a lot of weight that you are basically ripping the muscle and it’s the scar tissue. Is that accurate or is that totally different than what you’re doing with X3 Bar variable resistance system?

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Dr. John Jaquish: So the scar tissue in musculature, that’s not accurate. The idea that you get micro tears in muscle, that is accurate, but it has nothing to do with growth.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Very early on … early on, I don’t know what’s early. In the 1960s and the 1950s we talked about how you tear the muscle and then when it repairs, it repairs back bigger. Well, trauma and adaptive response are two different things. So I can build a callus on my hand. I got some big ones. I can build a callus on my hand and that’s an adaptive response, but that doesn’t mean anything I do to damage myself will build something like a callus, right? I can’t stab myself and then become stab proof, right?

Jason: We tried it earlier and it did not go well.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, he’s in the corner. Poor bastard.

Jason: Unfortunately the happy medic’s not here. Just keep pressure on that, you’ll be fine.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, he’ll make it. He’s not talking though. Kind of mad. So ultimately trauma and adaptive response was just two different things. So what happens is if you look at micro tears in distance runners, they have more micro tears than weightlifters do, and they don’t build big anything. There’s two types of muscular growth. There’s sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and myofibril hypertrophy. One has to do with evacuating the fuels in the cell as quickly as possible. So ATP, glycogen, creatine, phosphate. Nobody needs to remember that, but the fuels -

Jason: Whew, thank God.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah I know. So we get rid of the fuels in the cell as fast as possible, and then the central nervous system says, “Oh we should probably store more here, store more fuel in the cell for almost contraction endurance,” and this is what really happens in bodybuilders. Bodybuilders are amplifying that process over and over and over again and getting the cell to be super full of those fuels, and that’s really most of what typical fitness training is. The other type is myofibril hypertrophy, which has to do with a specific stress on the muscle that has nothing to do with running out of the fuels. It has to do with stressing the structure. So one rep maximums would maybe fall into that category, depending on if neural inhibition wasn’t the stopping point, which is when your joints hurt. Basically, when you sense pain … and I love this when you talk to weightlifters who are trying to power through the pain, yeah, your body can’t do that. So ultimately what we want to do with this product, and I have a great team of engineers, so the objective was to, instead of seven fold difference, I wanted a five fold difference because when you have variance in resistance, especially done with layered latex. That was the best way to do it, which is different than rubber. Molded rubber stretches out, layered latex does not. So very expensive process, layering the latex thick enough. So I went and developed the world’s most powerful latex bands, but anybody who tries to work out with a heavy exercise band will know from the first thing they’re trying to do, a band wants to be a circle so it’s twisting your joints.

Jason: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So bands by themselves conceptually could do a lot, in reality can’t, because they’re twisting your joints and they’re causing you pain and it’s just a different kind of damage and you’re not going to get a benefit out of it. So what I wanted to do was create an Olympic bar, which is very well tested, we’ve had Olympic bars for a long time. So basically rotation. So if I’m down here and I lift the bar up like this and then I’m pressing it over my head, that way I can get that rotation without compromising my joints at all, which means I can have the body have … now if I’m holding a weight here, let’s say it’s X weight here, it’s 5X weight here. So that’s a tremendous benefit, because my deltoid can handle much more force up here then it can down here.

Jason: So let me make it for the layman. So when you’re working out with free weights and you’re down here and it takes a lot of effort to get up, but the weight never changes. It’s a static weight and the difference -

Dr. John Jaquish: Great. That’s a great summary. You want a greater amount of weight as you get into a more powerful position. That’s going to exhaust the muscle to a much deeper level and trigger more growth, and it’s also going to be very easy on the joints. Ultimately, you get 10 pounds of muscle and put it on a regular person … think of 10 pounds of steak sitting on a table. That’s a lot. It’s a lot of weight.

Jason: It sounds really good too.

Dr. John Jaquish: And you put that on somebody and they’re a completely different person, and they didn’t go through any joint damage and they can continue to maintain that and grow even more without the risk of joint damage, without the same risk of joint damage if they did it with weights.

Jason: So I did the 12 week program last year and I will tell you that my biggest benefit from it was when the wife saw me get out of the shower and she was like, “Damn, that’s working for you,” and it’s-

Dr. John Jaquish: When other people notice, that’s the best thing.

Jason: It really is.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s one thing when you notice, even if it’s little things.

Jason: Yeah, but even some of the guys at work, they’re like, “Man, you’ve been working out?” I’m like, “Thank you very much. I really appreciate that.” So I love the X3 Bar resistance band training system, and through family issues we’ve had and I kind of fell away for a little while, and … full disclosure. I know you’re upset, but because this is the sick thing, is that you can make all of these gains -

Dr. John Jaquish: You still drink beer. I’m more upset about that.

Jason: Well that’s … you’re a very nice man. That’s never going to change.

Dr. John Jaquish: I know.

Jason: But -

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s liquid bread.

Jason: It is liquid bread. It is liquid bread. I rebooted, as we’re filming this four days ago, and I remember staring out the window in MCPD studios and pushing it, and I just felt that feeling of man, it feels so good to get back into it. You know how long my workout took me?

Dr. John Jaquish: 10 minutes?

Jason: Eight minutes.

Dr. John Jaquish: Eight minutes, yeah.

Jason: Eight freaking minutes, and I started thinking to myself, “What is wrong with me?”

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. You exhaust so fast. You exhaust so quickly.

Jason: It really … it’s insane, but I was so pissed off at myself because I wasted months and I couldn’t find eight minutes of my day? I wasn’t being intentional. I’m back. I’m being intentional, and I can’t wait to get to the end of that 12 weeks.

Dr. John Jaquish: You spend as much time flossing and brushing your teeth. You wouldn’t stop doing that.

Jason: No, not at all. Not at all. So I had some other questions for you, but the first thing that pops in my mind is that 12 week program, and I know you came out with an “advanced” program. What is the difference between a beginner program and this advanced thing? Is it simply a longer hold? Is that the main difference?

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s some strategies to get an even deeper level of exhaustion. The problem with people knowing about the advanced program before they kind of graduate to it -

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: - is everybody wants to just start with the advanced.

Jason: Oh God, yeah. I would not do that. I would absolutely not do that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s sort of like the day you get your driver’s license, you’re like, “Hey, let’s see how fast I can do a quarter mile.” The stupidity of a 16 year old … there’s law enforcement listening. You guys are well aware of how dumb those guys are.

Jason: Let me jump in -

Dr. John Jaquish: And guess what? We actually -

Jason: Motorcop does not advise exceeding the speed limit.

Dr. John Jaquish: But if you think about the poor judgment of that, we’re all continuously this dumb, because I don’t care who it is, a lot of guys will just be like, “Oh I want to start with the most advanced stuff.” Don’t do that.

Jason: Okay. So then we’ll skip -

Dr. John Jaquish: Start with the weak one.

Jason: The “weak one.” It’s not weak. I’m telling you right now it’s -

Dr. John Jaquish: No, I mean week on the calendar.

Jason: You feel it. Oh, not “ak” or “ea,” got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Yeah.

Jason: Okay. Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Start with the week one, and then week one is really … it’s going to treat you like you’ve never lifted a weight before, like you don’t even know what that is.

Jason: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: And yeah, some of the females, they’ve never really lifted weights and so they appreciate that ,and a lot of the guys will look at it and be like, “This is really beginner.” You want to see some of that, and then maybe if it seems really basic, you can skip to week four, week five.

Jason: Yeah, but you’re also … the other thing I talk a lot about both on WYE and here on the YouTube channel is building habits, and that’s when you start that beginning program, you are taking those beginning steps and developing a habit that, unless you’re like me and let other things get in the way and you’re not intentional with your time, it becomes so much easier to, “Oh, this is just what I do now.” You know what I mean? So let’s talk about two things that are your biggest attractors. Let’s start with the first one, and what I’ve seen is people looking at you and being like, “You only do X3 Bar, seriously?”

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I only do X3 Bar variable resistance system.

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Jason: And that’s nuts, right? Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s nuts until somebody does one workout with it and they’re like, “Okay. I get it.”

Jason: “I understand now.”

Dr. John Jaquish: “I feel like I was hit by a train,” yet you’re not sore.

Jason: That’s the crazy thing now.

Dr. John Jaquish: You get worn out.

Jason: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So I put somebody through a workout and I’ll even bring the 500 pound band to a … if I go to a workout event or something like that -

Jason: This is the elite band?

Dr. John Jaquish: The elite band.

Jason: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Do you have one of those yet?

Jason: You brought it last time you were on the show and I got one chest press out and … I’ll drop that picture in here, and there you go.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Jason: And that thing is … that kicked my butt, man. That kicked my butt.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s 500 pounds. It’s 500 pounds at the top, but remember you’re seven times stronger in the stronger ring.

Jason: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So when you use that black band, that’s … you and I are about the same height. You’re 6 feet tall. So that’s 300 pounds at the top, maybe 150 pounds in the middle, and 50 pounds at the bottom, but the weight comes on where you get into the more powerful position so it’s in line with your biomechanics. It’s really X versus 5X, and the reason we didn’t go 7X is because … and you want to go high repetitions, is because there’s a linear relationship with a stretch of latex, whereas you have a strength curve.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: So you’re seven times stronger here, but that doesn’t mean you’re 3.5 times stronger here versus here, and so that’s why we go high reps.

Jason: Yeah, and let’s talk about the high reps real quick, because I’m going to tell you right now, you may be the spawn of Satan because I’ve done split squats with the X3 Bar resistance band training system … holy crap, man. When you’re done with that it’s jelly leg time, but the crazy thing is, in a twisted way, it feels great and recovery is not … I mean, a few minutes later it’s like, “Okay.” I know I worked out, but a few minutes later, it’s not like I’m not going to be able to walk the next day. It’s insane.

Dr. John Jaquish: Except you can. You’re never sore.

Jason: Yeah. That’s nuts.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, another thing, for someone in law enforcement, you can’t be sore.

Jason: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: What happens if you got to tangle with some lovely person who’s -

Jason: Citizen, we call them citizens.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, with some citizen who’s enjoyed some PCP or something like that. You can’t be like, “Oh I just did some debilitating squats yesterday, so I can’t even … I might be killed.” It’s a risk to your life.

Jason: Oh yeah, absolutely.

Dr. John Jaquish: You can’t be sore.

Jason: Absolutely.

Dr. John Jaquish: You got to be able to perform.

Jason: The other big elephant in the room that I always hear people complain about is the price. It is not an inexpensive piece of equipment. As we sit today -

Dr. John Jaquish: I wish I could make it for $100 and sell it for $200.

Jason: So a lot of people will complain on the interweb, because that’s why the internet exists, and they’ll talk about what your overhead is, and you can make this thing for a $175, and that is not the case.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, no, no, no. It’s a steel bar. It’s just like an Olympic bar, and then the latex itself is incredibly expensive.

Jason: Right. These aren’t the rubber bands you can go down to the Longs or the CVS, the big five, and pick up.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, and those … I do a video where I point out the differences. You can take some of those bands that you get at Walmart and I can pull them with my fingers, whereas the kind that we’re using are actually hundreds of pounds. So that doesn’t always come through when you’re looking at your phone on a one inch by one inch video and you’re like, “Hmm, I don’t see the difference.”

Jason: What I’m doing on the motorcopmindset.com and here on the YouTube channel, I actually just took measurements and I showed you the technology before we recorded, that ridiculous suit, and I didn’t wear it for you. I showed you a photo … which I’ll put up the photo.

Dr. John Jaquish: Please don’t wear it for me. If you come out in that I’m going to leave.

Jason: No, no, we’re all good. Not to worry.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Jason: So this is the photo I’m talking about, and then what it does is it reads your measurements. So my plan is … actually I have a plan. I’m not going to tell you what my plan is. I’m curious what your -

Dr. John Jaquish: You kind of just telegraphed what your plan was, but okay.

Jason: Well no, no. How often should I be looking at my body measurements for a difference over that 12 week period? At the beginning and at the end, or -

Dr. John Jaquish: Do it maybe every other week.

Jason: Okay. That’s actually … I was thinking once a month, but if every other week is -

Dr. John Jaquish: Do it every other week.

Jason: Okay. I do weigh myself and document it on a spreadsheet on a Monday. That’s just when I started the program, every Monday at the same time, to judge where I’m going, because if I’m doing it right, I should be -

Dr. John Jaquish: Do it first thing in the morning on an empty stomach before you have had anything to drink.

Jason: That’s exactly … yep. Right before I hopped in the shower.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, because that kind of normalizes the. You’re not getting a pump in your arms and all of a sudden it looks like you just … your arms increased. Yeah, you don’t want to do that.

Jason: I want to be as transparent as possible with this. Now I’m not … I do enjoy the liquid bread. I’m not going … he’s so disappointed.

Dr. John Jaquish: Vodka’s good too.

Jason: I enjoy … see, I’m a more of a whiskey guy than I am a vodka guy, or bourbon.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay, whiskey. I’d rather you drink whiskey.

Jason: Yeah. All right. Well, you heard it here. I’m allowed to drink whiskey.

Dr. John Jaquish: Tell your wife.

Jason: Oh, we do a five o’clock here at MCPD. We have a five o’clock that … we’ve actually got that from both my folks enjoy a five o’clock, so there you go.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, mine too.

Jason: All right, so the price, 500 bucks, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s more than that. It’s 530.

Jason: Oh, okay. It’s gone up since I got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Well, I mean the product has been redesigned, and one of the things that I did in the beginning was I thought I’d be nice to everybody and rubber coat the steel bar so it’s easy to grab a hold of. People didn’t like that. People actually saw it as cheap looking, and they’d have to actually grab it to realize, “Oh it’s a steel bar covered in rubber,” and so the newer version is just steel with knurling like an Olympic bar, and so people… I get way less complaints about the price. I will say the price complainers are the smarter of the trolls that I have.

Jason: How’s that?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well yeah, because no one complains about the price of something that they don’t understand or want.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m just going to assume you don’t wear a lot of high heels?

Jason: Well you did see the photo of my weird outfit.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Jason: So, no. I do not. I do not.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, so do you know what an average pair of high heels costs?

Jason: At the Payless, I’m going to guess 50 bucks.

Dr. John Jaquish: You may be right -

Jason: Or DSW. I have no clue.

Dr. John Jaquish: Sure. Right, right. So they only care about the price because they want it.

Jason: Absolutely, that makes sense.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because they read the science and they were like, “Oh damn, this thing looks fantastic,” but then they don’t understand what it takes to actually build and market the thing, because that’s a big cost too. All these advertising things, buying advertising space on social media, that’s expensive.

Jason: It is not cheap. Not cheap.

Dr. John Jaquish: Not at all, and so the growth of the product has a lot to do with the availability, the resources, and so that’s not margin that comes to me. So ultimately it’s a very high quality, expensive product. It’s not very expensive, like I said, $530 but if -

Jason: It depends on your perspective.

Dr. John Jaquish: If you look at $530 and compare it to any other home gym type product.

Jason: Exactly. Exactly.

Dr. John Jaquish: You can throw this thing in a bag and take it camping with you.

Jason: I’ve done that. Here’s that photo.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you can take it with you. You can do it anywhere; outside, inside, in your garage, front lawn, in your backyard when your kids are … watch your kids playing in the lawn sprinklers, something like that.

Jason: Absolutely.

Dr. John Jaquish: And you can do your workout. So it’ll get you more results than any other home gym type product, you can take it anywhere you want, and it’s far less expensive than any other home gym type product.

Jason: Absolutely.

Dr. John Jaquish: I look at a Bowflex, it’s like 1500 bucks.

Jason: Yeah, and you’re not taking that to Bora Bora with you. This you can.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. It actually just takes up a room in your house, whereas this takes up a drawer in your house.

Jason: One of the things that I … when I think about price, CrossFit is this big mad thing these days. To the best of my knowledge. CrossFit for one person will cost you in the neighborhood of 150 to 200 bucks a month, a month, and a workout is an hour, hour and a half.

Dr. John Jaquish: And the risk versus reward.

Jason: Holy smokes. You know, before we recorded, I did get a sneak peek, and we’ll talk about it a little bit later, but I did get at a sneak peek of the new bar, and man, it’s legit. It is -

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s good.

Jason: It’s fantastic. So I’m very excited about that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. People will like it.

Jason: I have noticed that you’ve also come out with a vibration plate.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Jason: So what is that all about?

Dr. John Jaquish: One, movement preparation. 87% of United States professional sports teams use vibration for movement preparation. So before they do a squat or before they take the field, they do a vibration session and it makes them slightly unstable. It makes stabilizers fire. More muscle is more ready to produce force.

Jason: Okay, that makes sense. I get that.

Dr. John Jaquish: So from an activation of musculature standpoint, from an electronic myography, that’s how they measure that, that’s great. Now, electronic myography is often confused for how much growth you’re triggering. Yeah, that’s not true, but the more muscle you take to fatigue under certain circumstances … remember I was talking about myofibril versus sarcoplasmic, that does equal more growth if it’s taken in a fatigue. So what the vibration product does, allows you to do your extra recession with slight instability. So the plates moving up and down, side to side -

Jason: So this is something you stand on?

Dr. John Jaquish: The top of the X3 Bar resistance band bar system snaps right on to this. It’s called a GHAccelerator, growth hormone accelerator.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: And it’s because it’s stabilization firing of muscle, the activation of a muscle via stability in rapid succession, and we see this with sprinters, and you know a sprinter’s got all kinds of firing going on because you look at their skull. The skull looks like it’s lined up with the lase, and they’re throwing their hand back and they’ve got way more movement than a distance runner, but a distance runner’s head is bobbing up and down.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: A sprinter looks like their heads lined up with a laser.

Jason: Interesting.

Dr. John Jaquish: And it’s because of stabilization firing.

Jason: Never thought about that. Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Do you think a sprinter ever exists caloric deficit? You think they diet much? No.

Jason: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’ve got to have high energy. You’ve got to be able to run like that.

Jason: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So they’re lean because they’ve got a very high level of growth hormone and they’re constantly going through the stimulus. So what you’re doing is first movement preparation. That’s the one thing vibration does, and so you activate more muscle. The other thing is it up regulates growth hormone. Now X3 Bar variable resistance system by itself will up regulate growth hormone more than standard fitness because there’s more stabilization. So if I’m doing an overhead press and I’m holding more weight here than I ever would handle down here, my whole body’s jack hammering as I’m moving, and you can see somebody when they do it. They’re shaking all over and the stabilization of the core is very high, and so because of that … I hope the microphone -

Jason: No, you’re fine. You’re good.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay, yeah. So there’s stabilization firing in the regular X3 Bar fitness band bar system sessions, but when you add vibration to that, it just up regulates -

Jason: So it’s supercharging what you’re doing.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right. There’s a great meta analysis that was published in 2016 that’s on my website, johnjaquish.com, and it’s also on x3bar.com.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Jason: So you snap the plate in and you do your regular workout on the plate. Now you can do the regular front squat, what about a split squat? You just wouldn’t use it during that?

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s so much stabilization firing in the split squat just on the ground.

Jason: Yeah, I know.

Dr. John Jaquish: I wouldn’t have you do it in a vibration.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: That one you go off, or you can go back to the two leg squats. That’s huge.

Jason: Again, the 12 week program, when you first get the X3 Bar resistance band training system, when you first start … I want to say it’s week five or six where you go to six days a week and you’ve got the one day off. So where I’m at right now, I do Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, and it’s 10 less than 10 minutes. I think I had one that was even seven minutes. I just blew right through it and I felt almost like I was cheating somehow. No. I did it until I couldn’t do it anymore, and I am keeping track of my reps just so I can gauge it over time, but I have heard other users say, “I don’t count. I just do it until I can’t do it.” Is there an advantage counting or to keeping track?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you want to count because you want to challenge yourself.

Jason: Okay. I can see that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you definitely want to.

Jason: Correct me if I’m wrong. We’ve talked before about the number of reps. So if I’m doing the lightest band and I can crank out 40, it’s time -

Dr. John Jaquish: Time to switch.

Jason: Time to switch up, and you want it … so if maybe you start too high and you can only get out seven, maybe you should ratchet back down until you can get at least, 15? Is that the number I’ve heard?

Dr. John Jaquish: I tell people to shoot for 15 as a minimum.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Between 15 and 40 repetitions.

Jason: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: And just don’t compare. If somebody’s like, “Well, there’s a study that says …” and I’m like, “Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was all done on a regular weight training.” That’s completely different than what we’re doing for this purpose of rep counting and exhaustion.

Jason: Right. Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So just forget about that.

Jason: Apples and quantum physics.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Jason: They don’t compare. All right. Well I can’t thank you enough for coming by MCPD studios again.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks for having me. This is great.

Jason: It’s great to see you. If you’ll allow me, and I’ll edit this out if it’s a problem, I want to take a photo with that car. Egads. Egads, that car is absolutely amazing.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s a cool car. I’m trying to avoid you guys when I’m driving it.

Jason: There’s a reason I gave him the Batman mug, so maybe I’ll throw that up here in a minute, but thanks for coming to MCPD studios.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks for having me.

Jason: You can come to x3bar.com. This is Dr. John Jaquish, and if you’re interested -

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, for you guys who have questions -

Jason: Yes, yes, absolutely.

Dr. John Jaquish: Remember, anybody can ask questions.

Jason: Yep.

Dr. John Jaquish: So find me on social media and ask directly the questions. So Dr. John Jaquish, like that, on Facebook or Instagram. It’s actually @drjaquish on Instagram.

Jason: Okay, cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, Facebook or Instagram. Just directly, just grab on to one of the posts and go ahead and ask.

Jason: And I’ll tell you, when you make the decision to pick up the X3 Bar portable home gym, full disclosure, I am an affiliate for it because I believe in this product. It has been a huge benefit. I am excited to get back into it. If you use the coupon code motorcop, you’ll get 10% off of your price and I get a little something on the side. It doesn’t cost you anything extra and you’re saving money. So -

Dr. John Jaquish: Cool.